Serendipity. It has not been digitally reproduced. Go to a large university library and go browse the stacks. There is no web experience like it. On a smaller scale, that is what the good corner Mom and Pop video store used to provide as well. Smaller yet, the local paper, then magazines. And when you said "like moving pictures or keyword-search" did you mean info-tainment and echo chambers? Or perhaps distractions and monomania? Training wheels and ADHD?

Or it just adds to the confusion:

'Are you running Trust Tahr?'

'Um...'

'Or 14.04?'

'Yes?'


If the numbers were arbitrary you would have an excellent point. But if I can place in my head about when I installed it, then that is the version I search on. Quick - when was Hardy Herring? Did you have to go look?

And yeah, I *know*.

Well here goes 'nuthin - Disclaimer: I am a SharePoint Administrator and consultant. I see a few things reading though this thread, but I will hit your responses.

We do have an administrator, now internal. Originally we were using an outside vendor.

Sounds like what you had was a guy that kept the lights on, and the new guy isn't much more. As a rule of thumb outside SharePoint(SP hereafter) work is running about what mid to top tier SQL work is running. In other words, though I know cost != competence the checks to the outside vendor should have at least pinched petty hard. Capable SP Admins/Consultants are relatively rare, they know this and charge accordingly. My bet is those checks didn't pinch, thus my statement.

Either way, I'm not sure how the administrator could be responsible for the embarrassing kludge that is the Office-Sharepoint "integration". It is so clearly a bolt-on afterthought to the whole office suite that I'm a little surprised I have to defend my position.

Your SP Admin is partly at fault, from your post it sounds like your SQL Admin, Domain Admin, and network guys all need to get on boeard with making this work right.

...Try copying a folder with a few thousand files in it to Sharepoint...

Ah - there is a training issue, and a setup issue at once. If you are trying to use SP as it is intended there are very few cases where you would move several thousand files at once. SP has the ability to look into and use file shares, let them live where they used to. There also seems to be a setup issue with SQL in any event, my bet is that the guy who installed it didn't optimize the SQL instance, and yah, if you are new to the game there are some big holes to miss.

Every once in a while, it simply fails to save the document you are editing silently. The result is that people make a local copy to work on and then upload it as a new version manually...

I guarantee this is a setup issue where the domain admin didn't give enough leash to the SP admin to do his job. When it is being set up you pretty much have to have the domain admin cede some control to the SP admin for the time it takes to set the thing up, . Guess what almost never happens.... It sounds extreme I know, but you have to get some latitude to do things right. Without knowing the specifics I would bet there are timeout issues or network permission issues. When setup right the integration reallly is that good but the big bugaboo is training.

I don't find the searches to be any better than the Twiki searches were with the Google appliance.

Well, to be honest, one thing I tell people is that SP search administration is almost a job unto itself (and certainly is over a certain size SP install). It also comes back to training (yeah I know I am sounding like a broken record here). It can dig into all sorts of things and index them for search, but without the proper meta data surrounding each item it isn't anywhere near what it can be. So if people aren't properly constructing their meta data ...

Yes, the admin will remove them when I request... sometimes. Apparently some of them are big security problems when hosted on a "trusted" internal site so he won't unblock all of them.

That is just a well weird way to say that. (no offense intended). The only "trust" comes from the web browser. If you can't download .exe's off of your browser then that really isn't a SP issue. Also SP keeps a single list of what it will and will not host. That list by default is restrictive as you would hope it would be, but it is editable. Our local SP happily hosts .bat and .exe files without issue. Hell, the .bats launch right from the browser.


So to sum up, it sounds like you have had two relatively inexperienced SP admins who aren't getting the cooperation they need from their IT counterparts to get things set up right and because of it you have a bad taste for SP in your mouth. Honestly, it happens. SP is a **huge** beast of software that even MS doen't see the whole picture on sometimes. Some things it does very very well, and some it just sucks at but it sounds like you have had a bad run in with what are supposed to be the good parts. I put that at the feet of your SP Admin, and whoever was in charge of roll out / education.

SP is a wily beast and not easy to admin sometimes. If I can offer any advice I would be glad to help out (and no I am not looking for a gig, I have too much work as it stands).

Machinist Workshop

Strategy & Tactics, Modern War, World at War

History Today

And with D&D Next if they don't bring back the print versions of Dragon and Dungeon I won't be held responsible for my actions ...

And Oracle just cut loose with Java Magazine. I now have a vague notion wtf Hadoop is.

I know what you are thinking punk...You're did you have 6 helpings or only 5 ? Now to tell you the truth I forgot myself in all this merriment and crafting. But being this is a 440 calorie per serving dish and the most delicious dessert in the world and will blow your diet clean off, you've gotta ask yourself a question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?

I know - what morons. I mean, if they can't handle my MacWrite file on floppy screw 'em, luddites. And my art history prof thinks LATEX is a kind of paint lololll!!!one!!111 I mean, it *says* WordPERFECT right in the name! Get with it!!! Besides if you just run the perl script it outputs in mostly correct XML and what could be easier to understand? They just don't like that I am smarter than they are!

In other words...No one should have to have a CompSci degree and know the history of computing to read your drivel about Kant, and if you don't think this kind of shit happens all the frickin time in a colligiate setting you have never worked in one.

The name of the company is A-S-U-S, the company quashing this is Google, Microsoft have fuck all to do with it. Nice rant though, shake that penguin, make it dance!

Ah yes, I remember well being called a Luddite for pointing out to the Pollyannas what a mess this was going to be. 'You'd get more radiation from flying coast to coast / a few xrays at the Dr / your granddad's old radium painted watch you keep in a box than this will ever create' they said. Where is a plate of (radioactive) crow when you need one?

"Canadians by and large are lovely people"

"Throughout the history of the United States, the U.K. is the only country to have ever burned the White House or Washington, D.C., and this was the only time since the American Revolutionary War that a foreign power captured and occupied the United States capital."

And there wasn't a Canadian force among them. So unless you are British....

In fact Jessup never murdered anyone (that we know of), perhaps you should watch the film again. He disobeys orders that result in the death of a soldier under his command. Enough to get you tossed out, but I doubt you could even make manslaughter stick. In any event quoting a killer is far from outre, wisdom doesn't only flow from pacifists. And thanks for the tip, I have never seen Scarface. ;)

Ever ask yourself the opposite question? 'What benefit do I as a Canadian get by having a superpower as a neighbor?' One answer might be - 'Well, at least I don't have to type this in Cyrillic'. Canadians by and large are lovely people but having been brought up in the loving center between mommy England and your benevolent sociopath downstairs they tend to really gloss over what the world would look like for them if they were on their own. And I know, you are going to respond with some version of 'we don't piss people off so we don't need to ...' however history is rife with nice peoples getting rolled over simply because they were in the way. The Swiss are just as lovely and nice as the Canadians, but they have seen conflict and understand the score and history. They keep almost 25% of their population in the military or reserves because they *are* alone and understand what happens to sheep left out by themslves.

In short there is a peace dividend that has been purchased with the work to make America a superpower, one you enjoy greatly, but never think about, or if you do it is with a sneer. To quote Col. Jessup "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way."

One server is enough - according to Microsoft. Thanks for playing though.

I take it that you missed the part where she kept a diary the entire time. Do you think that she might have written in her diary something about the death of a family friend and the odd exchange of her father and the Secretary General of the Soviet Union? You also have no proof that this is the only utterance about this she ever made, for all we know she could be the origin of the quote, nor can you prove she ever heard it outside of him saying it. In any event if you are going to dismiss 50 year old recollections then I am sure I can come up with reams of historical documents that took fifty years to write or talk about that you are going to have to toss out as well, not to mention a wealth of history itself. I also note that you didn't even peep about that in the interview she doesn't get the quote exactly right. Which tells me you didn't even watch it, which makes me wonder if you are more interested in being right or correct.

Face it, she was actually was present at the exchange. The onus is on you to prove that she was mistaken with something other than a variant of 'memory is a tricky thing' for someone who has apparently doesn't have memory issues.

"In an interview with the BBC's Andrew Marr (11.11.2011) Winston Churchill's daughter, Mary Soames, explained that she overheard Stalin say this to her father. Churchill, was upset having received news that a family friend had died. He apologised to Stalin in light of the vast loss of Russian life. And Stalin then gave this reply."

From your wiki link

Oh, and I do believe that first hand accounts still count for quotes do they not?