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Comment Re:So! The game is rigged! (Score 1) 570

I have no idea, so I'm totally speaking out of my ass here, but I suspect there is a reason Europe does it that way. In the US there are a few credit rating companies who have data on the entire population of the US, thus creating a de-facto system for determining credit. I'd bet dollars to donuts that Europe has a far more Balkanized collection of credit agencies.

Comment Re:So! The game is rigged! (Score 1) 570

Big credit, perfect payment history and though short he now was eligible for a loan. WTF.

You surely understand that they are playing the numbers? For every wealthy guy from Europe with no credit score, there are probably 100 deadbeats with no credit score, and far more with a very poor score.

means you've not had the money to pay your bills

It certainly is not that simple! I could cash out my retirement accounts and be debt free. But that would be silly because the government only lets me hide a certain amount of income each year, and so I'd be losing a whole lot more to taxes then I currently do to interest. Similarly, a home loan at 3.25% is more like a 2% loan after the tax deduction. Surely you can imagine that it does not make sense to pull all of your investments when the S&P is on a record run just to avoid a 2% interest rate?

My car loan - they were offering a zero... that is 0.0%... interest rate for the car. Why the heck would I use all of my cash up? Yes, I understand that I essentially bought points when I purchased the car, but it still amounted to a very, very low rate.

T-Mobile did the same thing with my last phone - the price after financing was cheaper than the price on Amazon.

Look at it from another direction - debt can be used as leverage. Businesses do this all of the time. Since people aren't businesses, that leverage can buy a better lifestyle instead of simply improving income.

Comment Re:You needn't charge anything (Score 1) 570

Truth or bullshit?

I think it might be true. I have this credit card from heaven which has a rate that is anchored to Prime+1.4% or something like that. Currently it is 4.65%. Obviously, I use it like crazy... at one point it had a lower rate than my mortgage! Since I frequently carry a balance on it, my credit score is insanely high - I think somewhere in the 800s. Once, I got greedy and kept within about 90% of the limit on it for a couple of months. This actually seemed to reduce my credit score, and the credit card company even reduced the card limit despite my never missing a payment.

Of course I also carry a mortgage and have car payments, so it is hardly the only "signal" on my report, but it seems to be correlated IMHO.

Comment Re:So! The game is rigged! (Score 2) 570

It's a SCAM!

It's not a scam, but you do have to look at who the score is for. It is not for you, it is for lenders. They want to know how good of a risk you are, and to establish that you need a track record. It is trivial to maintain a good track record - simply use a credit card and pay it off. It will cost you nothing, or even make you money if you game the system like those Fatwallet acolytes.

Comment Re:Not surprised. (Score 2) 570

Once you have something go into collections it is always there until you pay it. ... You're only 30-90 days lat for a short period.

You nailed it! Behold, math!

Collections stay on your credit report for 7 years, so long-term collections will be on there for 2377 days vs 180-30 = 150 days.

So you have 0.35/2377 < 0.05/150. Much less than. This is what you would intuitively expect.

Comment Re:Lies and statistics... (Score 2) 570

the hospital would still not relent that my 6 yo son had required a breast pump for his treatment.

We had a similar love triangle going on between our pediatrician, the lab, and the insurance company. The doctor mistakenly ordered some kind of experimental genetic autism blood test for my son who was having digestive problems. The insurance company obviously refused to pay, and the lab wanted the money. The doctor ended up eating it, but had we paid the bill it would not have ended well for us! :)

I fully support anyone who cancels such things de facto (as long as they actually stop using the service), it's a horrible practice.

I have two blemishes on my credit report. The first is from the local newspaper (the Philly Inquirer), who gave me 60 days of free service and then kept on delivering the stupid paper after the 60 days. I had moved, and went by the now-empty house a few times to pick up the mess of papers stacked about a foot or two high (a friend was trying to sell it). Ultimately, they referred me to a collection agency. Yeah, good luck with that!

The other was a parking ticket from the City of Brotherly Love. They dinged me for staying too long in a 2-hour spot, even though I was in the middle of a move and I was just loading the vehicle for 20 minutes at a time and then returning to the same spot to load back up an hour or so later. Since I was moving out of state and selling my car, I figured I'd stiff them. They seem to have given up, though they put up a good fight - even tracking down my parents at one point! All for $25. It probably didn't help that I would tape a penny to the payment slip and send it back.

My credit is still north of 800 (according to my Discover Card statement) so I'm not really troubled.

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