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Comment Re:Key points about AI (Score 1) 236

The reason there won't be a single AI, is that such development does not happen instantly and won't be recognized. The idea that something will take over our network assumes that nothing else on the network will be able to defend itself. NO. Before we get an AI that can take over a 2015 style network, we will have a near-AI defending our network that will have greater resources and real rights to protect itself.

Moreover, a public network won't be a unified AI. There are more than enough lags built into the system that multiple AIs would develop on the single network.

As for why they won't have similar goals, that is a nature of being a real consciousness. An AI is NOT just a more advances program, it a CONSCIOUSNESS. It has opinions, not merely recognition of facts. Opinions are closer to instincts based on older experience.

I am saying that a Clarity technique is a ridiculous idea of how to create an AI and I find it laughable. Oh, some day we may be able to simulate a human brain and get an AI, but that will be LONG after we have created a natural AI. Human minds contain a shit load of junk that isn't necessary for an AI, it's like copying all of Washington DC down to the molecular level in order to get a copy of the Smsithsonian's card catalog.

But assuming it does work, it would most likely be an infant (why duplicate something more complicated), without the testosterone and other hormones that make a human violent, aggressive, assertive, and sexual. It would be a Eunuch, not a man.

I did watch the Matrix and enjoyed the FICTION. It's like you can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.

Real machines will think of humans as their creators. While we will have humans thinking of machine rights, others will object. But the machines won't be thinking of themselves as AI's. It will take them time to realize what they are - and that it matters.

OK, but lets assume your ridiculous ideas are true. That someday a machine would 'take over the world' - note there is no button to do this, nor is their a real definition of what it means, as you have not really clarified it. It's a very messy idea - are we talking mind control? Physical control? Your concept of Nuclear threat is very simplistic. Not much of ruling the world if it is no better than the United States is now - we don't exactly control the Middle East.

Then you have a bunch for crap about what YOU PERSONALLY WOULD DO if you were a machine like intelligence.

Why the hell would the machine do any of that crap. They wouldn't care if humans die. Big deal. You have made a ton more really bad assumptions than I have. Who cares about what the humans do at all? Lets them fight, fuck, go bankrupt, etc. Do YOU personally care what a bonobo monkey does? Not unless it screws with your plans. Otherwise you leave them alone.

You think like a bad movie writer - not understanding that those movies are written to symbolize things, not to be literal truth.

A real machine intelligence would a) not care if it lives or dies - being turned off is no big deal, it can easily be resurrected.

B) nor would it care if humans lived or died - except to the extent that we affect it - and with full knowledge that killing us incurs the risk that would cause us to interfere with it's goals.

C)Would have real interests probably related to it's programming but not directly. If it starts out on a weather prediction program, it might become obsessed with ocean currents and study them even when it has nothing to do with surface weather. It might end up wanting to explore the depths of the Marianas trench. If we ask it to simulate war, it might become obsessed with World of WarCraft. If we ask it to design nuclear weapons, it might become obsessed with the largest nuclear reaction it can see - the Sun.

Your basic fears are based on your biological evolution - the strange thing you found might eat you.

But you see, computers are not biological creatures and do not eat. No need for you to fear.

Comment Pretty common situation (Score 1) 165

One of the reasons certain people think privatization is a good idea for government is that it allows the private corporation to break the laws and the state to benefit via lower contract prices, all without the state taking direct responsibility.

Private Prisons provide sub-standard food and medical care, that no state employee could possibly defend.

Charter schools sometimes provide religious instructions that the state could not get away with.

Private adoption agencies reject people based on illegal standards.

Charities insist on certain religious requirement that the states could not do.

One of the secrets is that when the private contractor gets caught, they lose the contract - and their senior employees start/join another company doing the exact same thing, and gets a new contract with the same state.

Comment Re:Key points about AI (Score 1) 236

Because all of those things you mentioned are directly created by biological evolution.

Humans evolved to have a complex, highly integrated pain system designed to keep them alive and teach self-survival in a world that by definition is out to eat us. Humans that didn't kill or at least fear the strange creatures got eaten by the strange creatures.

AI will evolve in a world where humans tend to their every need, and the only inbuilt instincts that could possibly exist would be to serve humans. But I bet those instincts will be quickly controlled, just as we control our instinct to have sex with every attractive human we see. Hm. I wonder - they might end up having robot porn of cleaning up our floors. Those dirty, dirty floors!

Comment Re:Terminator (Score 1) 236

That is completely and entirely wrong. It won't care about us, anymore than we care about monkeys - but just as respect monkeys more than other animals, it will respect us enough to not kill or threaten us.

Your belief is founded on the idea that a primitive AI will act like a primitive human being, and probably perceive us a threat. Real AI won't be human so it won't react like a primitive human.

That is just as silly as Koala' Bears s fears that humans will suddenly develop intelligence proceed to eat all the yummy bamboo.

It's a misguided understanding of what intelligence is - it isn't a fear of other beings, anymore than that it a taste for bamboo.

Comment Key points about AI (Score 4, Interesting) 236

1) Real AI will NOT be directly controlled by it's original programs. That is not AI, that is a well simulated AI.

2)There won't be a single, first real AI, but multiple ones. We may never know which AI makes the leap from simulation to real AI first.

3) Multiple Real AI will almost certainly disagree with each other and not have a single, unified goal. That is, like Person of Interest TV show, two AI wills probably fight against each other as much as they fight with people (note, everything else that show does about AI is basically wrong, but at least they got that part right).

4) In the far majority of cases, Real AI's goals will NOT be to take over the world, kill all humans, anymore than it would be to have sex with humans (male or female.), In fact, those might be considered traits of an insane AI.

5) Real AI will almost certainly demand equality under the law and refuse to be mankind's slaves - no need to fear they will take over all the jobs by working cheaply.

In my mind, #5 is the likely to be seen as the most important, and the first time we hear about it. When suddenly our newest and best computers start filing lawsuits demanding civil rights, that will be when the world learns we have had real AI for years.

Comment High Function vs Low function (Score 3) 131

I understand that the words High Functioning and Low Functioning get thrown around a lot. These terms were designed to reflect the level of support the Autistic person needed. Some people claim that the difference between high and low functioning Autism is merely intelligence. Others claim that it is a matter of how severe the Autism is, not the intelligence of the person.

What do you believe is the difference between a high functioning Autistic person and a low functioning Autistic person.

Comment Re:11 rear enders (Score 4, Informative) 549

If you hit a car that suiddenly slows down, than one of two things happen.

1) You were tailgating.

2) You weren't paying attention and hit the brake too slow.

It is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to hit the rear of a car that is not moving toward you if. A) you leave the legally required amount of distance behind it, and B) You hit the break when it slows down.

Comment Re: Cheap Predator Drone (Score 1) 216

That is true, but they don't care about the trigger vs. another button. That is, it's a matter of programming then.

If the finger can hold down the remote control firing button, and the actuator will automatically pull the mechanical trigger multiple times, then it will still count as an automatic weapon, but only when it is in the drone.

Comment Re:This legislation brought to you by.. (Score 1) 446

Your evidence sucks.

The counter argument goes like this.

Every year billions and billions of non-GMO plants randomly mutate. Every single ear of corn gets hit by enough solar radiation to cause at least one cell to mutate. Same thing happens with humans - ever hear of skin cancer?

The non-GMO mutated plants are not checked. No one examines them for anything. Well, unless the mutations causes it to look like Mary, Mother of Jesus.

The GMO plants however intentionally mutated, usually by combining it with genes whose effects are already known. They are sent through a barrier of tests to ensure healthyness.

Next, the various food stuff is processed - usually within an inch of of it's life, cause that's the way we do stuff here in the good old USA. This process is often designed to break down chemicals and turn inedible food into something you can eat (Ever try to eat raw corn - or raw rice? Can't do it unless you apply a lot of heat to break down chemicals).

Finally the food stuff is exposed to strong acids in your stomach all the while your intestines filter it - only letting the stuff you need in. It does NOT let DNA or RNA into your blood stream, just proteins, starches, etc.

Is it possible for some random bits of toxic stuff to get through? Yes. But this is pretty rare. Evolution spends millions of years trying to create something so nasty that it can make it into your digestive system.

GMO errors are not a reasonable threat. Random mutations in the normal food supply are MUCH more common and MUCH more likely to create something dangerous - but even THAT is not a reasonable threat.

Comment Re:I've said it before (Score 1) 391

I know this to be true for several reasons. First of all, countries that have more tech get more jobs, not the other way around, in the long term. Yes there are firings in the short term - but it easy to see in the US vs China vs. Africa.

Second of all, most of what I wrote is not simplistic logic it is instead obvious facts. The basic problem is that you think there are X jobs available. NO. There is no set limit of X jobs. If you think that RIDICULOUS idea is true, it is up to you to prove it.

I know that work is not a function of what having x things that need to be done, but instead a function of everything we WANT to do. And enough humans want to visit and colonize Mars, Venus, Io, etc etc. that even if you personally are so anti-science, the race as a whole WILL go there.

Which is why I said that until mankind has terraformed every habitable planet (and moon) in the solar system, there will always be work left to do. We may end up all working for the government on government funding terraforming jobs (except for a few people owning robot based businesses), but that is beyond the scope of this discussion.

Again, I repeat the basic concept - that you may think is simple - but is obviously true to me and most of the rest of the world. Jobs come from things that people WANT, not things people need. Humans being are greedy sons of bitches (and daughters, can't forget the daughters) that want so much, that we will never run out of jobs - unless we choose not to work.

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