Sorry, I was trying to lower myself to the level of others. Entertainers are all that a lot of people now about! I am using the same argument for claiming that some are Canadians as Americans do to claim them for their own, what's wrong with that? Of course I could also add Reginald Fessenden and many others. The recursive paradox re Hollywood is totally appropriate for people who say GNU's not Unix and use the PHP Hypertext Protocol! And who said I was trying to make a rational argument? Perhaps I should explain that I am an Englishman who now calls himself Canadian and, as such, I have never been able to break myself of the habit of saying the opposite to what I mean!