I'm not talking about myself moron...thanks for playing jackass. This is human nature. Get your head out of fucking Utopia, because it's not real. Few people work for altruistic reasons, they're in it for themselves. They need incentives to push themselves, or else they're going to do the minimum.
Bob, Charlie, and Dave make 50k a year and Alice makes 35k, despite all of them performing the same. Alice cannot get a raise because she's female and every other business out there is only going to offer 35k because that's the going rate for female employees.
Oh Bullshit. http://www.payscale.com/career...
Exactly, and there's little to no incentive to do better than anyone else, because you're all gonna make the same, so why the fuck work hard.
Thanks for the summary. This sounds similar to an incident where I received email from a small bank that shares my own last name. Apparently, one of the bank officers thought he was sending it to one of the owners. So, I received confidential information, which I did not divulge, and informed them of their mistake. That said, could I have shared that information with whomever I pleased? It seems like a the same philosophy.
Just send Slashdotters, we've already got thin skin.
Only us old foggies wear watches anymore.
As far as a "production environment", worked on Data General Nova's with 16k of core, a teletype and paper tape for bootstrapping it. That would have been '77-'79 while in the USAF (Offutt AFB). We also built our own flip flops out of components while in tech school (Keesler AFB). Prior to that, I did get to work on helping build an Altair kit when I was in high school.
The point of requiring creds is not to give a fine-grained measure of quality, but to provide a way of filtering out Bob from Marketing/Website Design who this morning decides he wants to be hired for a C++ solution architect role with no experience, so he can see what it's like....
If I finish interviewing Bob, and haven't been able to figure that out for myself, then I'm not doing a good job of interviewing.
If they don't have an engineering education, than they are not engineers.
A degree doesn't make you an engineer. I've never seen that as part of the definition. Yes, education is needed, that doesn't have to come through college.
Unfortunately, many of those are useless pieces of crap, and the only reason many people get them is because of rules like 8570, which has turned into welfare for these cert companies. Follow the money...they're getting rich, and a lot of it is off of taxpayer dollars.
We give our HR folks the questions that we expect them to filter on. Certs have never been in that list. However, our job postings typically list certs under the desirable category, sometimes with a comment about an expectation for the candidate to have or be able to get the cert within a specific timeframe.
Outside of IT you will almost never see certificates except in technician jobs
Interesting. A relative of mine has two MBAs, and was a business acquisition director at a Fortune 500 company before taking an easier position to work on a Ph.D. She had these in here resume. Maybe YMMV?
Project Management Professional
Certified Training Manager/Director
Certified Instructor/Facilitator
Certified Performance Consultant
Certified Instructional Designer/Developer
Certified e-Learning Specialist
ITIL Foundations Certified
I've known plenty of developers without 4 yr degrees who were better engineers that some of the code monkeys coming out of school. If someone can show they've got the experience/knowledge to do the job, I could give a shit if they have a 4 yr degree.
He has not acquired a fortune; the fortune has acquired him. -- Bion