Yeah, like that is going to happen. Once they realize there is no money in linux games, that will be the end of that.

I've always felt that if someone calls for the restriction on free speech they should be required to wear a muzzle for 24 hours. Maybe after a day or so of being deprived of their rights, they will be more tolerant of other peoples.

Oh horse shit. Crap like that has been on my linux bullshit list long before systemd rolled out of the gate.

Many years ago when I was running linux at home 24/7 as my main OS I installed several rpms from redhat not related to keyboards and shit. All of a sudden my keyboard stopped working, for no reason what so ever. Other issue like this had happened before but this was the last straw.

That night I pulled my data off the system and installed windows on that box. I still run linux as a desktop at work and I have a linux server at home but I'll never run linux as my primary desktop at home.

Nonsense. Nobody is any ones enemy here. Just people with different points of view.

Init is still good for many things. I still use it on my personal server at home. I imagine that it will be good for another 5 years or so. But, still there will come a time where init will hold back development in the server market too.

You need to get caught up on modern theories. The big bang and the head death of the universe is old news. The hot new theory is the universe had no beginning and will have no ending.

Wait? Haven't we heard that before?

Sticking to old and reliable has it merts too but not when it gets in the way of trying something new. Change for changes sake is seldom good but sticking to the old an familiar just because its familiar is seldom good too.

Being forced to change can be called evolution. As technology progresses there will always be a forced change to adapt to the new technology. Init is 20 years old, its old, and reliable but it will stand in the way of new and better ways to do things. An like it or not linux is moving away from its unix roots. It will have to do that to survive and continue to be a usable system.

Init has, had a 20 year run. That is a good run for any system.

Yeah, that was me for awhile. Systemd has it's problems but over all I've not seen any real issues with it that didn't just simply involve me learning a new way of doing something. I've been using fedora, now 21, on my desktop at work for 2 years now. I've not really seen any issues at all with the it doing its job. Infact fedora 21 has been the best workstation OS I've used.

I was against systemd for a while, I'm still kind of iffy on some of the issues it has. I don't like binary logfile over ascii log file. I've stated my reasons for that before.

Over all systemd is a new way of doing things, and I think that is a lot of the resistance to it. Init is 20 years old, might be time to try something new.

Damn.

If he just wants a good windows managers I would suggest going old school, really old school.

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You are probably not looking in the right place. Yes, linux still matters but not where you are looking. If you are looking linux desktops, good luck to you. My current shop is the only shop I've seen that chose linux desktops over windows.

Where you are going to find most linux installs are on the back end. In my shop we have over a 150 linux boxes churning away doing work. In another shop down the hall they have more than that. The last 3 jobs all had major linux backends doing the work.

Better question would be does the linux desktop matter? Probably not as much as people would like it too.

Here you go. 4 gb laptop, 1.7 dualcore processor. Then stick the current version of KDE on it. There you go. Getting in the way of getting real work done.

I fully understand what you are saying. At home I run Windows 7 on a fx-8150 with 16GB of RAM and SSD drives. I run windows 7 at home because I don't want to fuck with linux at home since I do all day at work. When I get home I want to turn my computer on, it work and it just work.

Yes, in 2015 there are still resource issues. At work I use a laptop with a dual core 1.7ghz processor and 4Gb of RAM. Any thing that wastes resources, like a over bloated gui, isn't welcomed in that environment.

But I do understand what you are saying. For the most part even a POS walmart computer is more than enough computer for what they need. But then you do have people, like me, that push their hardware to the limits. That might be video rendering, managing a ass load of virtual machines, or just playing games with the setting maxed out. Any bit of processing power that is not attributed to that purpose is a waste.

Xfce is for people that want a professional looking desktop that doesn't get in the way of getting real work done. A desktop that does it job and doesn't get in the way or consume to many resources that could best be dedicated to real work.

If you don't like the way XFCE you can change it. My desktop at one point did look like windows 95 then I changed it. Now it looks like a modern version of CDE. The other day I was playing with some settings and icons and I could make XFCE look like a modern mac desktop.

So yeah, its like anything else. You only get into it what you put out of it.

I use XFCE and have for several years. I believe the Supreme Penguin uses it too. There are lots of people that use it but I will admit it is not as popular as the big two.

Another thing that linux has lost over the years is the truly breathtaking desktops we used to have. I remember when if you wanted a gui for your linux box you had to roll your own. You had a frame work to work with but every ones desktop was truly there own creation at the end of the day.

Enlightenment. There was a truly breath taking windows manager. Window maker, and good old xfvm2. I know they are still alive but only on life support.

Best reason to use XFCE? It's not gnome or kde.

Best reason to use XFCE? It's not KDE or Gnome.