dislike all the procs running

Oh no, there are processes running!

mem wasted

Exactly how is it wasted?

I always laugh when people look at my display. I use a red/orange color to highlight the active window and grey for the inactive ones. there is no trash icon, no iconbox, no drag/drop. a short menu appears when you click into space (no clients under) and then pick which foreground rxvt opens up (all with black bg's).

So basically, you'd be happy with a modern-day amber phosphor display?

I've been using this layout for literally over 25 yrs (starting with twm and using mwm for a short while, when motif was still popular).

Ah, so you're getting old and resistant to change, particularly when it's change that doesn't suit you.

we should NOT have to flip over backwards to remove a stupid should-not-be-there-anyway daemon and its evil libs.

So don't use the systems that do use those EBIL DEBIL'S LIBS. Go fund the development of a platform that conforms to your wishes. Don't bitch when others move on and do different things.

No they aren't.

Rather, the anti-systemd crowd is making up stories about the advocates, slinging vitriol and hatred, and engaging in pretty much any sort of abuse they can engage in towards the systemd developers.

I have seen few rational, logical, unemotional criticisms of systemd and lots and logs of reactionary bullshit.

start by getting rid of Stallman

What would this accomplish, other than be a silly attempt at silencing someone you don't like?

write some damned drivers

Go tell the hardware vendors to do that.

make an easy to use system that doesn't require 5 hours of Googling on how to get a laptop soundcard to work.

Funny, I haven't had issues with sound in ages. Perhaps you haven't used Linux in the past 10 years?

that's precisely why i actually worked hard and risked destroying my business by losing access to all data on a critical business laptop

No offense, but while I've watched many of your projects with interest, if you "risked destroying [your] business because of losing access to data on a single laptop, you just might deserve to go out of business due to sheer stupidity. Both in lack of redundancy and doing whatever it was you were doing on what is effectively a "production" system.

I'll be amazed if the GP does. Not because he chooses to take the high road, but because he's spouting BS.

It's the systemd guys that have been acting like children and constantly attack Linux users for pointing-out bugs.And it's been hostile reactionaries that have made death threats and spout technically and factually incorrect things about systemd.

After posting a reproduction script to the mailing list about a problem with systemd ignoring the exit status from a script, I was told by one of the main devs that he hoped my mother got cancer.

The systemd mailing list is public, right? Cause you could totally be making shit up right now...

You also have kids like http://slashdot.org/~Eunuchswe... here that post some nasty replies, and it appears from looking at the moderation on the posts he is replying to that he or his friends have mod points and are using them to attack people that post about systemd problems.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

For all the fledgling nerds-to-be in AR, I hope they can find a good, long-term solution to the problem.

Indeed. Programs like EAST, which were originated in AR, are a good approach. They're offering training to help teachers for things like AP Computer Science via the state universities.

And if they succeed in their CS education goals, maybe they'll find a way to get tech companies to set up shop in the state for more than just tech support. Lack of interesting work was one of the reasons I ended up leaving after finishing college, and (shock) I ended up in NorCal.

Now it's being done in a way that is also compatible with proprietary software

Which is why Microsoft and Apple have been aggressively pushing BSD-style licenses. The notion of end-user freedoms is obviously antithetical to the way they want to push computing, so they fight against it.

It leaves the users of the closed code in the lurch, which the GPL was designed to fix.

I know there is the contrived case of a codebase being improved and re-packaged under a proprietary license but that just doesn't happen

The problem, of course, is that you'd probably never realize it unless you looked really, really hard at software whose license would prohibit you from looking (c.f. anti-reverse engineering clauses, etc.)

So RMS maybe right but he is wrong by enforcing his opinion on others if he truly believes in freedom.

He does, which is why everything under the GPL is there voluntarily, placed there by the original author.

But really his solution is worse than the problem.

Prove it. Go on, substantiate your claim.

I will take Milton Friedmans stance on this by a limited framework where both users and developers do what they will as long as they do not oppose that will on others.

And we have that framework, where everyone is allowed to freely license the software they write - and alter/redistribute software according to the license placed on it by the original creator.

Your argument is horribly disingenuous and twists your citation back in on itself. That no one else has called you out on this shows how vocal the anti-RMS, anti-FSF, anti-GPL trolls in this thread are.

Except that people are willfully ignoring the massive patent exception to the MIT license. Even you gloss over it. At least the terms of the GPL are clearly spelled out, you don't know what will happen if you intentionally or even accidentally cross Microsoft's very limited patent grant.

So don't go using these sources in anything not a .NET runtime or application running on a .NET runtime. Even if you think it might help Python, Ruby, or some other application in some other language. It's open, but not really.

one of the chief objections to the RPi is the fact that it doesn't run "industry-standard software"... i.e. Windows.

But that's neither a rational or logical objection. It's a biased objection born of ignorance.

This is because companies like Intuit and H&R Block lobby Congress to prevent the IRS from simply applying all the information they already have.