Bit of subtextual humor there. :-)

Yeah, yeah, yeah: but on the planet where the sun rises in the East, how do you instantiate this ownership, except via the state?

One may be a subset of the other, but AFTQ: was Marx for or against private property?

I think Gruber may represent the Clerisy quite accurately, as witnessed by the speed with which he has become an Unperson to the likes of Sebelius, Obama, and Princess Pelosi.

More accurately, I point out that more legislation == less freedom.

I find out the most remarkable things about my actions from you.

Unless the Other is doing it, when it's suddenly the Worst Thing Evar.

LTO tape
Is kinder than duct
When applied to the face
With the latter, you're Canucked.
Burma Shave

(1) Foment a bunch of rioting
(2) Cry big alligator tears about the effects
(3) ???
(4) [massage the numbers to declare] Profit!!!1!

We're not here to pick on your foolishness. :-)

Well, I'm certainly not your master. But I have to ask why the sudden appeal to "logical or reasonable defense"? I thought you were arguing a purely materialistic weltanschauung. Are arguments seasonal with you, or do you have some kind of D&D table with percentile dice to figure out what line of hooey to deploy?

He Stands There Appealing His Fruit

So you're saying he's not the sort of hypocrite who trumpets acts of charity. Got it.

Then who owns the means of production, if not the state? Marx certainly H8s private property, as that's what the Bourgeoisie is all about, right?

By "actual information", do you think Gruber is a representative sample?
I rather do. He seems to capture the overall commitment to veracity, respect for opinion at variance with his own, and dedication to ensuring that the will of We The People is carried out that one knows informs the Left at all levels.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of KD's actions, one thing has been very strongly lighlighted by his arrival in NZ and the actions that have followed from that.

When he first arrived, he was welcomed with open arms by the government, despite his shady past.

Why?

Well he had *lots* of money and was prepared to give some to the government and spend the rest locally.

Yes, you *can* buy your way into New Zealand -- despite claims to the contrary.

Then many people of power and influence hob-nobbed with KD, hoping perhaps that they'd get favours from him -- as indeed one politician did, to the tune of thousands of dollars contributed to his funds but not declared (later resulting in a conviction for that MP for filing false returns).

Once KD had given huge sums of his money to the NZ government he was then of little further use to them so they were more than happy to help out their US overlords (the FBI and MPAA) by engaging in *unlawful* surveillance and an unlawful raid and asset seizure. Despite the illegality of these government-organised activities, nobody involved or responsible has been censured for breaking the law. How convenient, and another sign of deep-rooted corruption.

Once KD dared to meddle in local politics by funding a party which stood at the last election, this was the final straw. The Prime Minister (whose office has been engaged in some *very* shady dealing with our Security Intelligence Service recently, prompting that agency to apologize to another opposition MP) has now obviously decided that it's time to kick KD to the curb.

In any *real* democracy where people's rights are respected and the government and its agencies are required to obey the laws that they pass, there would be little problem. However, as has been seen by the massive trail of graft and corruption, plus the ongoing lack of accountability for wrong-doing on the part of the PM, his office and its agencies, it's unlikely that KD will get a fair deal at all.

As I said... I don't give a damn whether KD is an angel or the devil incarnate -- his mere presence in this country has exposed the lie which is a claim that we are the least corrupt country on Earth. No... the truth is that, until now, we've been the best at covering up huge levels of corruption that are now exposed for all to see.