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Comment Re:Just the tanks? (Score 1) 114

You mean like garage forecourt (petrol station) tanks that are invariably underground?

Those are usually a sealed tank with filling and vent pipes above ground. Now, as the filling pipes are capped when not in use, only the vent pipes would be at risk from flooding - and those can be taken up as many storeys as required and vented to the open air (away from windows and aircon intakes obviously).

The pumps could be located above the flood zone feeding generators also above the floodzone.

Comment Re:Maybe they like it that way? (Score 1) 138

Don't you think it's more likely that requiring plumbing be done by expensive card carrying professionals will actually cause more leaks not to be fixed as the householder will now have to pay, what, $50-$100 for a plumber to come and fix that dripping tap or overflowing toilet cistern vs a few dollars in parts to do it themselves?

Besides, how many DIY plumbers would actually leave a leaking joint in place?

Comment Re:Maybe they like it that way? (Score 1) 138

Knowing about how Australia likes to regulate home electrical work and even plumbing (I'm talking water, not gas here) I would say the average Australian is either very much asleep or very much likes being cared for by Nanny.

Not quite what I would expect from the children of pioneering emigrants looking to forge a new life...

I rest my case...

Comment Re:Maybe they like it that way? (Score 1) 138

Do you mean you have no problem with there being "regulations" (eg IEE/IET wiring regs for the UK, NEC for the USA, VDE etc)?

Or are you saying you approve of running plumbing and wiring as a closed shop, artisan style?

The former is necessary - but I have not problems making my wiring IEE 17th compliant. OTOH I detest closed shop practices and I'm surprised and slightly disappointed the Australians put up with it.

In which case I can see how they might like Nanny watching "the Internet" to keep the bad men away...

Comment Re:Maybe they like it that way? (Score 1) 138

I do not think DIY should be regulated beyond requiring that the person doing the work "is competent" (which is what the laws pertaining to UK gas plumbing state[1])

England and Wales went through this in 2005 with the introduction of "Part P" of the Building Regulations. Basically anyone doing electrical work that is notifiable (most major work) must either be registered or must report the work to the Building Control dept of the local council for a fee. The councils generally don;t know how to handle this so mostly just get an electrician in afterwards to perform a full system test for another fee making, say adding a new circuit cost around £200-300 in fees alone.

Prior to the introduction of Part P the government's own stats for England and Wales stated there were around 5 deaths per year from fixed electrical wiring. It notes a further 25 possible deaths due to fires where the fire was due to an electrical source of ignition but that does not break down into fixed wiring vs appliances and extension leads. Most informed sources estimate the number of deaths from fixed wiring directly or by resulting fire to be around 10 per year.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CFsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stockport.gov.uk%2F2013%2F2994%2Fdevelopmentcontrol%2F14406%2F41351%2Fpartpelectricalsafety&ei=QvU1UJaYHe210QW8mIDoBQ&usg=AFQjCNGZgEjqrIWPIGTCIWqii5Metf20jw&sig2=2aV0bfyQw0v8RUIUotcsTg

The number of deaths on the road in the GB was 1901 in 2011. Scale that back a bit to remove Scotland.

Do I think limiting who can do electrical work is a waste of resources? Yes I do. The resources would be far better spend on road safety.

To require being a member of an accredited institution to do water plumbing (with the possible exception of sealed heating systems) is even more laughable.

There is a difference between regulation and limiting electrical and plumbing work to members of a closed shop artisan/union style which seems to be the case in Australia and becoming the case in the UK.

[1] I am legally allowed to do my own gas work in England, provided it is "not for hire or reward".

Comment Maybe they like it that way? (Score 0) 138

Knowing about how Australia likes to regulate home electrical work and even plumbing (I'm talking water, not gas here) I would say the average Australian is either very much asleep or very much likes being cared for by Nanny.

Not quite what I would expect from the children of pioneering emigrants looking to force a new life...

Comment Re:Unfortunately, UK has become Uncle Sam's lapdog (Score 1) 1065

Not going to happen.

We have two main parties who are now extremely similar in politics and a third "half" who lacks spine and a mismash of tiny parties who will never get represenation under our current voting system.

Coupled with the fact that the majority of the people are either apathetic (because they believe the above is insoluble) or just uninformed (and do not care to be), there is absolutely no chance of anything changing in this country. We've been this way for decades now - the last major movement of consequence was the Suffragettes.

Comment Re:Unfortunately, UK has become Uncle Sam's lapdog (Score 1) 1065

We've been kissing Uncle Sam's butt since WWII if not before.

John Simpson, a famous former BBC foreign correspondent, holds dual Eire-UK citizenship. In one of his books ("A Mad World, My Masters", IIRC) he mentions that he did this purposefully as the UK Government will seldom lift a finger to protect its own citizens who are in trouble abroad should that action compromise some particular deal or negotiation that going down - whereas the Irish government have a much better track record in that regard.

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