For Israel it is working. If you took a look at the maps it is systematically eradicating the people, through military action.

So for them military action is working, and thus violence is working for there agenda.

And they will continue to do so until people realize what is effectively going on.

I am strictly against violence, but things will never get better until people understand the origins of this conflict, and also Great Britain and US should cease and desist enabling Israel to commit these atrocities. Whether you know it or not. You are paying for the violence.

The events of history and poor decisions of the past influence and create the problems of today. How quickly you are to write off history.

Do you tell your doctor not to look at your past medical records? I hope not.

Where/When was the first place?, and by who?
I think it's pretty obvious that the Israeli government has "played the victim" definitely its fare share throughout history, but if you don't know much about the history well then it can be hard to distinguish who is the victim and who is the agressor....

Okay now before we begin I would like to say that the whole conflict deeply saddens me, but you have to take an objective look at the history.

Now if you want to go way back to the biblical/Torah references all you have to look at is exodus in which Moses led the Jews out of enslavement in Egypt, upon which Joshua took over leadership and attacked and exterminated (genocide) the Canaanites in order to secure the "promise land"

1. Part of it wasn't the Jews to begin with
2. They killed people in order to get it.
3. This is in Jewish text.

History did not begin in 1948 as the Israeli government wants everyone to believe.

Now really the modern day conflict begins around in the early 1900's with the Zionist congress in Switzerland,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Zionist_Congress

but let's move forward to 1937 with the Peel commission. The land now that encompasses modern day Jordan and Israel was then known as the British Mandate of Palestine. That's where the Palestinians get their name.

Now due to an influx of Jewish immigration (encouraged by the Zionist Congress) to the area this sparked lots of conflicts between the resident Arab population leaders and the new Jewish immigrants. Hostilities flared up on both sides and as the Mandate was soon to expire granting sovereignty to the region an agreement was to be sought. Given the populations at this time the Peel commission met to formulate the arrangement and this is what was proposed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Peel_map_pd.png

As you can see from the map it looks very different from today's common recognized maps of the region. The peel commission was not agreed upon by the Arabs or the Jewish immigrants as both sides wanted more than what was offered. The largest mistake was in part due to the Arab leaders stating that they could not assure the protection of the Jewish immigrants.

Now as we move forward in history this was debated back and forth as skirmishes still continued to flare up by both sides attacking the other until World War II broke out.

Now Britain, who still claimed the land as a province, was in dire need of financing for it's war with Germany. Members of the Zionist Congress in Switzerland helped in financing Britain's economic needs under pretense that a more favorable arrangement could be made regarding the Jewish Settlements.

In the meantime massive Jewish immigration began
to descend upon the British Mandate of Palestine exploding the population.

This of course sparks more conflicts with Arab leaders and residents in the area.

Now once the dust settles on WWII the British Mandate of Palestine expires and the moment it ends Israel declares it's independence. on May 14th, 1948. Now this declaration of independence doesn't sit well with the Arabs in the region as it was still thought to be up for discussion and arrangement.

With the aid of the British forces in the region whom the Arabs had no reason to believe would be allied with the Jewish population they were able to maintain there independence by defeating any aggressive forces put forth by the Arab population.

Here is a UN partition plan for Israel in 1947 a year before independence was declared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png

Now what followed after that were a few short wars in which Israel defended it's claim for sovereignty.

In doing so Israel aggressively went forward trying to bring in new western allies to aid in it's desire to bring forth a nation that included ways to try and bring in the United States to support the effort. A major issue at the time was that of the Suez Canal

This led to some successful, and one very unsuccessful attempt in the Levon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Now the Suez problem was a large deal. Egypt wanted to own it's own canal, and French-British-Israeli forces did not want that at all. Egypt furious about this banished the current UNEF peacekeeping force that was stationed in the Sinai and began massing tanks and arms at the Israeli border.

After years of growing aggravation with the new nation of Israel many surrounding new Arab nations including Egypt at the time were looking at the nation of Israel as an expansionary threat. The Arab nations began to increase there military forces. Israel realizing that surrounding military oppositions would be detrimental to it's survival preemptively attacked all surrounding Arab countries leading to the Six Day War.

In doing so Israel captures several territories still disputed today as this is a direct violation of the Geneva convention provision Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949

It was letter upheld by the UN in 1973 that the Palestinian people are protected under the Protection of Civilian Persons in Times of War
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/dcb71e2bf9f2dca585256cef0073ed5d/7a33d0cf052d2c19852560de005649f3!OpenDocument

To this day Israel is still in violation of this.

Now having read this if you already had made up your mind due to media campaigns, your personal relationships, perpetuated guilt over the holocaust, or are not open to looking at history, or respecting international law....

Then it is difficult to see what is really going on and people will go on killing one another until maybe finally people actually sit down and accept that there has been huge mistakes and faults made by BOTH sides.

It's easy to label a people evil, terrorist, horrible, barbarians, enemy if you know nothing about them and want to label them as such a hasty generalization. The American Indians, African Slaves, Palestinians, Jews, Aztecs, etc.

    Kicking people out of there indigenous lands and or wiping them out for selfish personal gain is nothing new, but don't think for one second that Israel isn't or hasn't been taking part.

What everyone is witnessing is the eradication and removal of a people. In just 75 short years. 100 years from now people will look back on this with great shame.

It's 2009. It's time for humanity to grow up.

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=377637&cid=21558759

Okay now before we begin I would like to say that the whole conflict deeply saddens me, but you have to take an objective look at the history.

Now if you want to go way back to the biblical/Torah references all you have to look at is exodus in which Moses led the Jews out of enslavement in Egypt, upon which Joshua took over leadership and attacked and exterminated (genocide) the Canaanites in order to secure the "promise land"

1. Part of it wasn't the Jews to begin with
2. They killed people in order to get it.
3. This is in Jewish text.

Now as to the modern conflict. Well we have some major issues here. History did not begin in 1948 as the post references.

Now really the modern day conflict begins around in the early 1900's with the Zionist congress in Switzerland, but let's move forward to 1937 with the Peel commission in 1937. The land now that encompasses modern day Jordan and Israel was then known as the British Mandate of Palestine. That's where the Palestinians get their name.

Now due to an influx of Jewish immigration (encouraged by the Zionist Congress) to the area this sparked lots of conflicts between the resident Arab population leaders and the new Jewish immigrants. Hostilities flared up on both sides and as the Mandate was soon to expire granting sovereignty to the region an agreement was to be sought. Given the populations at this time the Peel commission met to formulate the arrangement and this is what was proposed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Peel_map_pd.png

As you can see from the map it looks very different from today's common recognized maps of the region. The peel commission was not agreed upon by the Arabs or the Jewish immigrants as both sides wanted more than what was offered. The largest mistake was in part due to the Arab leaders stating that they could not assure the protection of the Jewish immigrants.

Now as we move forward in history this was debated back and forth as skirmishes still continued to flare up by both sides attacking the other until World War II broke out.

Now Britain, who still claimed the land as a province, was in dire need of financing for it's war with Germany. Members of the Zionist Congress in Switzerland helped in financing Britain's economic needs under pretense that a more favorable arrangement could be made regarding the Jewish Settlements.

In the meantime massive Jewish immigration began
to descend upon the British Mandate of Palestine exploding the population.

This of course sparks more conflicts with Arab leaders and residents in the area.

Now once the dust settles on WWII the British Mandate of Palestine expires and the moment it ends Israel declares it's independence. on May 14th, 1948. Now this declaration of independence doesn't sit well with the Arabs in the region as it was still thought to be up for discussion and arrangement.

With the aid of the British forces in the region whom the Arabs had no reason to believe would be allied with the Jewish population they were able to maintain there independence by defeating any aggressive forces put forth by the Arab population.

Here is a UN partition plan for Israel in 1947 a year before independence was declared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png

Now what followed after that were a few short wars in which Israel defended it's claim for sovereignty.

In doing so Israel aggressively went forward trying to bring in new western allies to aid in it's desire to bring forth a nation that included ways to try and bring in the United States to support the effort. A major issue at the time was that of the Suez Canal

This led to some successful, and one very unsuccessful attempt in the Levon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Now the Suez problem was a large deal. Egypt wanted to own it's own canal, and French-British-Israeli forces did not want that at all. Egypt furious about this banished the current UNEF peacekeeping force that was stationed in the Sinai and began massing tanks and arms at the Israeli border.

After years of growing aggravation with the new nation of Israel many surrounding new Arab nations including Egypt at the time were looking at the nation of Israel as an expansionary threat. The Arab nations began to increase there military forces. Israel realizing that surrounding military oppositions would be detrimental to it's survival preemptively attacked all surrounding Arab countries leading to the Six Day War.

In doing so Israel captures several territories still disputed today as this is a direct violation of the Geneva convention provision Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949

It was letter upheld by the UN in 1973 that the Palestinian people are protected under the Protection of Civilian Persons in Times of War
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/dcb71e2bf9f2dca585256cef0073ed5d/7a33d0cf052d2c19852560de005649f3!OpenDocument

To this day Israel is still in violation of this.

So in response. There IS logical argument, but if you already have your mind made up, or are not open to looking at history, or respecting international law.

Then no there is no argument and people will go on killing one another until maybe finally people actually sit down and accept that there has been huge mistakes and faults made by BOTH sides.

It's easy to label a people evil, terrorist, horrible, barbarians, enemy if you know nothing about them and want to label them as such a hasty generalization. The American Indians, African Slaves, Palestinians, Jews, Aztecs, etc.

  Kicking people out of there indigenous lands or whipping them out for selfish personal gain is nothing new, but don't think for one second that Israel isn't or hasn't been taking part.

It's almost 2009. It's time for humanity to grow up.

Yes and we have had extremely high inflation and ticket prices have been raised to offset the losses curtailed.

But when you go back to the last film Titanic that broke all box records it was BEFORE the internet, file sharing, etc. took off.

"indulged in decadence only by a very small handful."

  In reality there are tons of people who work in the industry NOT making 20M a picture that help keep things going and they are always the first to pay the price.

In fact mid budget flicks 10-39M are now totally dead. They have to spend "500 000 000" to make projects these days because those are some of the ONLY ones that can make enough real money.

If a small niche project is made for 3M and they spend 3M on advertising. And it makes 1.5M in ticket sales, 1,500,000 in DVD sales and 500,000 Rentals then you lost 2.5M on it. Now if 1,000,000+ are watching it from torrent and usenet crap. and dvd bootlegs... well what is the incentive to focus on those smaller ones.

You can try and make 30-40 of these, but what happens is you are crowding shelf space. There is too much out there...so you have to go BIG BIG to get people's attention.

It's really a very complicated industry, and one that really doesn't need people stealing from it, no matter how rich you think all of us are...

Most of us work unbelievable hard 12-15 hour days 7 days a week just so YOU can laugh, or cry, or say "Woah that was cool"... the least you could do is buy it if you want to watch it...