Curious to know people's thoughts on this: how necessary are projects like MATE now that GNOME 3 has a supported-in-the-long-term "Classic" mode
Why, there should always be a project that people will loudly "threaten" to switch to every time somebody makes a development commit affecting their favorite workflow habit.
Damn it people, so much emotional attachment to a company because it once had the distinction to cock up an OSS-based project.
Please get it through your heads: Nokia shareholders' objectives do not include supporting the cause of Linux, or Qt, or whatever. It is, plainly, to make money. They are fucking happy to see something sellworthy made out of the dysfunctional wreck that Nokia was in 2010.
I'm a bit suspicious about that. Almost every smartphone upstart these days claims ability to run Android apps, and in the end it comes to very little.
Please realize it's not just Dalvik emulation that you need to do to make an Android application work. There is a whole lot of services and intent handlers that an app may rely upon, many of them digging into system internals, most of them are not under AOSP. These need to be implemented compatibly on an alien platform, basically from scratch. So, it's a major effort to undertake, in addition to your platform development. And there will inevitably be a long tail of apps that just don't work because you missed some little detail, or bug-for-bug compatibility.
Has anyone actually tried those myriad Android apps that were claimed to be ported to Blackberry OS 10?
(Sigh) Please read this. Keep close attention to the dates and how each device is named. I hope it will help to remove a lot of confusion from your postings. As someone who was in on the events described, I can attest that the article is mostly correct.
What myth? It's in numerous sources backed up by financials and information from Nokia itself.
Continuation of this discussion would require you to provide the sources.
Nah, it's still alternative history.
Never mind the accolades Ahonen has received over the years, nor his lectures at Oxford, nor his authoritative books, nor his amazingly accurate record of predictions in the Mobile Phone industry, year after year, nor his personal network of staffers at almost every Mobile Phone company and provider in the world... nor how many times he made other supposed expert analysts look like fools (ZDnet, Howard Forums, etc. etc.)
Never mind that, because very little of it is actually true.
For the record of his predictions, here's one.
Sorry, but Tomi is really a tedious moron who passes himself off as an expert to gullible people.
Funny how they were still selling quite a lot of them until Elop came around.
And RIM were selling quite a lot of Blackberries until it was too late.
FYI - All those Symbian devs and their Symbian apps had a migration path from Symbian to Maemo/MeeGo.
That's what the powerpoint said. In practice, there were... issues.
Also Nokia didn't have the same issue BB had in having a central network that was essential to the platform and have a major crash that took weeks to fix and caused headaches for their customers.
Nokia had another issue: being the company that allowed the N97 to be released. That was in 2009, years after iPhone was on the market. All that happened after was, in essence, karmic justice.
In 2010 MeeGo wasn't out. It was just about to be released when Elop wrote the "burning platform" memo; and during the presentation to the press he stood up on stage and said "We're not doing this; look I have another one running Windows Phone and that is our future" - intentially sabotaging it before it even hit market.
Your time window for "just about to be released" must stretch for half a year.
And, I'm afraid, your description of a presentation has no basis in documented reality. It was known since February that Nokia is pivoting towards Windows Phone and everybody knew that the N9 was a dead end. Moreover, it wasn't ever meant to be a proper MeeGo device. It was fucked up by internal politics long before Elop came on stage.
Yet, as others have pointed out, with no marketing the MeeGo Phone outsold the Lumias wherever they were both sold in the same markets - and not by small margins - by 3:1 ratios.
I'm sorry to see you believe in a myth with no credible evidence whatsoever.
Just before the first Meego phone (N900) launched, Elop took over. It was killed without even given a chance. To answer your question, that is why Meego never competed with Android and the iOS.
Huh? The N900 was released in 2009. The N9 program was launched some time before that, and the device was released, after all, in late 2011.
Right as Elop took over, Nokia took a 180 turn away from Meego. They spent 3, 4 years completely redeveloping their processes, completely revamping their developers, wasting countless resources that were Meego-based, just so they could put Windows Phone on their hardware.
What alternative timeline you live in? The turn was announced on February 2011. The first Lumia was released in November the same year.
You didn't refer me to anything. The only design page I came upon was this one, and it does not yet have any detailed plans for middle-click.
You can follow a workflow of painstakingly designing and documenting every commit in the development head, but I don't think every project does. And the commit in question was indeed found to be premature and removed by one of the developers, well before it became a front-page story for the hate brigade.
The post you linked to said they aren't ONLY planning to remove middle-click paste.
The design document on the Gnome wiki goes into further detail about what they are thinking of doing with middle-click instead.
It does not go into any detail on that, yet.
Another developer in the same thread said this IS the right time to voice objections to removing middle-click yank. It's not out of thin air. Middle-click was already removed, then it was decided to wait on removing it until the new middle click replaces it. The new middle click menu is still being designed.
Can you point at exactly the instances where anybody remotely relevant to GNOME development is publicly proposing the things you have mentioned? All factual evidence so far is a reverted commit.
Just to prevent as much tedious unnecessary rageposting as I can, here's a mailing list post from one of the developers:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2013-September/msg00065.html
See, this whole story is blown out of thin air. Almost everybody commenting to this Slashdot story have shown themselves to be knee-jerk idiots with no capacity for critical thought. YOU CAN GO HOME NOW. Or better, finally fuck off and forget about all things GNOME. Both you and the GNOME project will be better off this way. Ah well, who am I kidding, this stupid shit has been going on ever since GNOME (and KDE, for its own part) was released.
C++ is a superset of C. It includes all the functionality of C, along with an implimentation of OOP. The low level stuff is there. The problem is most FOSS contributors are apparently dinosaurs who never learned how to program in object-oriented fashion.
They did. They also know that C++ is a bad language for that, so much so that programming object-oriented constructs in C is better.
Stellar rays prove fibbing never pays. Embezzlement is another matter.