Comment Re:From his Facebook post on his Sudoku solver (Score 1) 230
Well, it was common knowledge.
Kids these days...
Well, it was common knowledge.
Kids these days...
Do you hate any other people group? Turks? Black people? Jews?
Yeah, 'cause there's no way this could have been about free speech!
It's pretty obvious to all but the hopelessly deluded that this event had absolutely nothing to do with free speech. Not even those offering that justification actually believe it.
This wasn't an "open forum that may offend some people". It was an event specifically intended to belittle a minority group and to provoke violent action.
The organizers of the event couldn't be happier. To them, this is the best possible outcome. Two dead Muslims and "proof" that "they're nothing but violent sociopaths".
Let's not play pretend that this has anything to do with free speech. To say that it is, is simply dishonest. To actually believe it is completely delusional. It's a problem in either case.
Legally? No. To my knowledge, they did nothing illegal.
Ethically? That's a whole different story...
Science is about what is known, not what isn't.
It wouldn't make much progress if that were the case!
things are either know to be true
Science, by necessity, does not deal in truth. It wouldn't work if it did.
You have a very odd understanding of science.
If you're okay with that, so be it. I'd rather not associate, or be associated, with hate-groups
So, why not just join the club? Become a Klansman, skinhead, or whatever they call members of that particular anti-Islamic group? If you're okay with hatred, bigotry, and oppression, why not be more open about it?
Is it because you know that they're in the wrong but still can't bring yourself to let go of your insecurities? Is it that you don't want to be bigot living in fear, but can't bring yourself to accept Muslims as regular people?
Or is it something else? You think it's great to spread hatred and fear and to oppress others, but don't want other people to know that you're bigot?
So
No, as a traitor and coward, I'll just live peacefully with them side-by-side like we have for years. I'll treat them honestly and fairly, like they treat me, and (in my ignorance) give no regard to the looming threat the present.
I can't reason with bigots. Enjoy your paranoid delusions.
, if I understanding what you're saying
It's safe to assume that you don't.
The problem, of course, is that you -- in your bigotry -- believe that Muslims are violent and interested only in dominance.
Here in reality, Muslims are no different than anyone else. They want to go about their daily lives free of harassment, oppression, and bigotry. They want their children to grow up in a safe and peaceful community.
Your problem is that you don't see them as people, but as animals. It's a disgusting viewpoint that makes it easy for bigots, like you, to justify atrocious acts against others. Sam Harris (a bigot to which you're likely align yourself) famously suggested that they be slaughtered, so "dangerous" were their beliefs.
No, fear and hatred are the real problem here. Only one "side" is openly advocating the ridicule, humiliation, isolation, and slaughter of the other. That's the side you're on. People like you are far more dangerous than you imagine Muslims to be.
I didn't know that Hitler's plan was to integrate Jews in to society... I must be terribly ignorant of history.
marketed and clearly honestly intended to educate westerners
The problem is that bit about honesty. There's nothing honest about your plan.
Nonsense. Do you honestly believe that? The Muslims in my community are terrified, and have been since 9/11, but not a single one has ever acted out violently. Once involved members of our community, they're now isolated and afraid -- all because of bigoted assholes like you.
(To make matters worse, we lost two great middle-eastern restaurants. Are you proud of yourself?)
You're clearly blinded by your own hated and bigotry. People like you are a far larger problem than the one you imagine is caused by Muslims. The trouble has always stemmed from fear and hatred, which you actively promote! If we should have "no level of tolerance" for anything, it's attitudes like your own.
Disgraceful, isn't it? I would have expected more from him as a leader.
While I wouldn't call him a bigot, he did side with those bigots ultimately responsible for the much-needed uprising in Baltimore. I'd rather describe him as 'misguided'.
We're not talking about censure. We're talking about inclusion. Muslims are exposed to plenty of bigotry and hate every day from the people in their communities without special events with cash prizes from organized hate groups. Yes, they're even exposed, from their perspective, to near-continuous blasphemy. Do we really need an event to send the message "the people here hate you so much that we're holding a party intended to upset you and further isolate you from our community"?
If you want fewer extremists, integration is the best approach. By isolating them, belittling them, and then provoking them you're creating the problem you're pretending to solve. This is true for any group of people, of course, not just Muslims, as we've recently seen. Oppressed groups tend to fight against oppression.
Oppression also tends to promote group unity. It's why you see so many groups seek any excuse to believe their oppressed, or look for opportunities to show some form of oppression. You've very likely seen this from both Christian groups and atheist groups. You've also seen how it calls the rank-and-file to sometimes violent action.
I'm amazed at the nonsense posted here. It's like seeing Klansman claim that if they burn enough crosses and hold enough marches "them **** will learn their place!" It's foolish and counterproductive. (Unless, of course, your real goal is to further oppress them. Hmmm...)
yes several individuals who set up this event are (unlike the Charlie Hebdo staff) known asshats.
Is it really okay for you to support the actions of "known asshats" if you don't actually join the club? How does that work? "I'm no Klansman, but those asshats sure do a good job! Keep it up boys!" What does that say about you and your beliefs?
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