Sigh. Why do you have to turn this into another dick size war? I was trying to be reasonable by pointing out that SysV had some failure modes that systemd tries to address, and that one could at least accept that as a common ground upon which to debate the merits of both systems, but apparently you don't want to give even that much.

And then people complain that Lennart is occasionally a bit crabby online. Frankly, I'm starting to understand the guy.

Oh fuck off. You're essentially arguing that Germans who denounced their Jewish neighbours to the Gestapo are not responsible for those neighbourse being gassed, because all they did was speak, it was the SS that did the gassing.

Anyone recognises your 'speech is speech, it is those acting on the speech doing the bad things' as an idiotic bit of sophism that adult people should not take seriously.

So fuck off already. I'm done replying.

Yes, it was. Because the networking script tries to start nfs. There is a circular dependency in the scripts that is hard to debug.

And before you say that I should just edit those scripts: every next update may overwrite them, whereas systemd handles this dependency sanely. Why should I muck about with scripts then?

I just told you that systemd handles the dependency between rpcbind and the network coming up in a sane and reliable way, whereas the init scripts don't. What more do you fucking want?

I just gave you an example, and you ask for examples? What are you, stupid?

Not all new and shiny, but perfectly functional.

Tell that to my girlfriend. She can do most maintenance on her workstation, but she had to have me look at boot deadlocks about twice a month, all because /etc/init.d/rpcbind and /etc/init.d/networking were in a race, and the NFS mounts lost.

SysV rc is not 'perfectly functional' by a long shot. Both at home and at work I keep running into limitations that systemd solves. Systemd comes with other bugs, and I've been hit with one or two of them, but they were, for me, easier to solve than SysV rc race conditions and deadlocks.

The growing hairball is SysV rc. Systemd is an attempt to solve it. You may disagree with the solution, fine. But stop denying that it is at least an attempt at solving existing problems.

Oh look, you can parrot other posts. Polly want a cracker?

BTW, that's yet another high school age 'joke'. You're doing a real good job protesting your maturity.

Now, go back to 4chan, and let the adults have a serious conversation, OK?

I have indeed no valid counterarguments I wish to present, as with your lack of reading comprehension and shaky grasp of logic it would be throwing pearls to the swine.

And for someone claiming that other people should just grow a thicker skin, you're a massive hypocrite to blow up a remark on your immaturity into a molehill.

Of course, emotional overreaction is another sign of your immaturity.

No, I didn't. I wasn't arguing boundless freedom of speech, the post I was answering was.

It is quite obvious from the context that I think that my first hypothetical is not, and should not be, uncurtailed speech.

Reading comprehension is hard, isn't it?

Really, for someone who does not know what 'begging the question' in formal logic means, you shouldn't talk logic. I did use it correctly, and from the context it is obvious that I know of both the correct and incorrect usages.

If someone points out that you sound immature, effectively shouting "AM NOT!" does not help, you know.

And if you hadn't noticed, I had decided quite a few posts ago that you're not worth arguing with; on the other hand, your posts are so disarmingly immature and so gratifyingly full of insult material, that you make an excellent target for insults.

Because your posts sound like the screeds of a teenager with an entitlement complex. That's why people keep assuming you are one.

Really, just begging the question that the only real violence is physical, that's straight out of the mental world of the Randroids, making you either a teenager with zero life experience or as mentally stunted as the Holy Messiah and her Inner Circle.

And I'm not saying your argument is incorrect because you are young (that would be an ad hominem fallacy). I'm saying that your use of an incorrect argument make you sound young. There is a difference. Try and see if you can spot it.

And yet I don't see you trying to defend his idiotic contention that speech cannot be violence.

The complete naÃvety of the content of his posts bolster my position more than your snark defends his. Too bad for you.

You've heard The Ickle Jones: he should just grow a thicker skin.

Which of course nicely demonstrates that our Ickle is just another teenager who should fuck off back to 4chan where he belongs.

We're specifically talking about free speech here. There are no fists, I assure you.

The day you finally finish High School and move out of your parents' basement you may find out just how wrong you are.

In terms of content, you can say whatever the fuck you like about me.

Cool, so I can put up a webpage alleging that you are a paedophile then?

Despite what some loudmouths on Internet may proclaim, there are forms of speech that are damaging and therefore infringing on other people's rights. A government does have a legitimate interest in having those forms of speech curtailed, as much as it has an interest in having harmful physical acts like assault and battery curtailed.

Harassment, slander and libel, direct incitement to violence? It is up to the Frea Speach advocates to defend why these should be allowed, not for the rest of us to why we shouldn't have to put up with this in a civilised society.