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Comment What happens if i cut this red wire? (Score 1) 319

Scientists that had their lives dedicated to the study of climate and consequences still getting surprised by some of the newly discovered consequences of global warming. Tinkering with a very complex system that you don't understand could have even worse or more urgent consequences than the original problem you were trying to solve. And if you make big mistakes there you not only lose the future of mankind, but also all the past.

Whats wrong with solving it in the plain, simple, ordered and pretty studied solution of diminishing our influence in the change?

Comment Re:ROI (Score 1) 287

Not sure whats new will come, what new technologies will be enabled, what new discoveries will be made, whatever that comes from this that will be integral part of our future lives. But we know the past, the ROI of what already invested is still coming. That is the math that should be used, including the big part of it that impacted defense. How would be the world without any of it?

Comment ROI (Score 3, Insightful) 287

Maybe they should be aware of how much they got back from the investment. Just going to orbit, not landing elsewhere, the impact on everyone's life is all around, from weather/climate prediction to GPSs on phones. And maybe some activities that would have even more impact on our everyday life (zero-g manufacturing/alloys made from captured asteroids?) need more funds to be able to be done. And if well things in the space could give obvious returns, reaching other planets could get us unexpected yet (or only suspected) benefits.

Landing elsewhere and planting a flag is nice as a symbol, but things that have economic return may sustain a complex space program a bit better.

Of course, there are things that may end having infinite ROI, if by standing there we could avoid the end of mankind (detecting threats and avoiding them, or at least having a backup copy elsewhere). Delaying it till is too late will be much more expensive than doing it now.

Comment Re:250,000 - 470,000 years to go . . . (Score 1) 272

That the sound changes leaves the main phase will take millons to billons of years. In the other hand, our civilization has been around for 10k years, and in the last 100 we developed (and actually used against ourselves) a lot of technologies that could end mankind or even all life on earth, and with time the opportunities to do it with more severe consequences will be more, not less. I would give more chances that we manage to actually travel 14 light years (with all the complexities involved) than mankind and/or our civilization would last for another 10k years.

Comment Re: noooo (Score 2) 560

It should be a warning sign that climate scientists are still being surprised by unexpected consequences caused directly or indirectly by global warming, specially of the kind that could do a possitive feedback to the loop. We predict based on what we know, what we observe, and what we model after it. That we are missing on the consequences is not a reason to calm down, but to hurry up, as more things could be impacted and the 200-500 years could turn end being 200-500 months or even days, or hit in an unexpected direction (i.e. temperature or water level didn't rise a lot, but ocean acidification break the food chain, and that affect atmosphere composition)

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