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Comment Re:How does the quote go...? (Score 1) 267

The Earth's radius was pretty well known, yet still Columbus worked with a few very wrong assumptions. His expectations of the distance to China (on the "known" route to the East) were vastly overblown (mostly because a good deal of that distance estimate came from Marco Polos expedition there some three hundred years earlier), while at the same time his estimate of the size of the Earth were a bit too small. Search for Behaim Globe (Behaim was a German cartographer who made globes before America was discovered) to see what his expectations of Earth would have looked like.

From this point of view, his idea wasn't as idiotic as it may initially appear. Actually, he expected to hit China or at least Japan approximately where the US midwest would be.

Well, and actually if it hadn't have been that their size calculation was off and there was an entire continent in the way, they would have probably starved to death on the ships before making it to "the East" (or even to that "US midwest" distance they thought it was).

Comment Re: Yeah ... but ... it's true. (Score 1) 267

Damn those treehuggers for wanting breathable air! It's so Un-American!

Except that something like 40% of the nations electricity comes from coal plants, so an electric car isn't really "zero emissions", it just changes where the emissions come from - instead of the cars exhaust, it comes out of a big smokestack.

Comment Re: How many of you are still using Gnome? (Score 4, Insightful) 403

I use XFCE as well.

XFCE 4.10 came out in April/2012. I'm honestly worried maybe things have stalled. I use Funtoo(/Gentoo) Linux, so I see from time to time things get updated in the various applications that make up XFCE, but I'm still worried about its future.

Just a simple question - if it works for you, unless there are some major security bugs or something, why does it matter if it gets 'updated'?

Comment Re:kill -1 (Score 1) 469

I've been in unix for over 20 years and never even heard of kill -1.

That's very honest of you. Don't know what you've been doing in Unix, but not knowing how to issue a SIGHUP signal (or why) after working with Unix for 20 years is not particularly a recommendation.

Probably best not to mention that on any future interviews.

To be honest, I've had to explain signals (in general) and SIGHUP to a lot of newbies over the years - it's certainly not something I would expect an *experienced* sysadmin not to know though, and if I was interviewing someone for a sysadmin job who supposedly had "20 years" experience and couldn't tell me at least a few of the *myriad* ways SIGHUP is used in unix - even if not explicitly by them issuing a 'kill -HUP' or 'kill -1' command (many daemons, etc), I probably wouldn't hire them.

Comment Re:kill -1 (Score 3, Informative) 469

I'm in the same boat. Is linux so unreliable and prone to disaster that "kill -1" used on a regular basis?

Um, you "use" kill -1 *every* time you use "crontab -e", you also "use" it (the SIGHUP signal) for a lot of other things probably, like forcing apache httpd to re-read it's config file, or any number of other similar things where you can make an app/daemon re-read it's config. And if you drop your connection to your login shell without logging out first, it gets a SIGHUP as well.

It has nothing to do with linux/unix being 'unreliable'.

Comment Re:Jurisdiction (Score 1) 213

I would say the same thing, but there are several countries that can effectively impose their will anywhere within the Moon's orbit and a handful that could manage anything within the solar system. That said, having navigational control of a big rock on the edge of a gravity well may prove to be a hefty bargaining chip.

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. :-P

Comment Re:About Time (Score 1) 123

I've used your analogy before. And USA law is that the USA corporation is legal obliged to instruct and take measures to get the data from the UK subsidiary. Nothing is changing here this has always been the case.

Which is, in effect, saying that MS then would have to take their UK subsidiary to a UK court to get a ruling, spending their own money taking themselves to court, in essence. That really should be for the US courts (prosecution) to take up with the UK court, shouldn't it? I mean, the whole concept of "me suing myself, and having to hire *both* prosecuting & defense attorneys" is ludicrous...

Comment Re:About Time (Score 1) 123

No, the evidence is not the property of a US company. The evidence is the property of a US citizen and is being held by a foreign subsidiary of a US company and is, therefore, exactly like the hotel example.

The world really would be simpler if we stopped trying to define how information on computer is the same as information on paper in some circumstances and different in others and just say that correspondence is correspondence, personal effects are personal effects, etc.

Which is, I would think, what MS is trying to do... get the courts to rule on it, one way or another, from the highest court possible.

Comment Re:hmmmm (Score 3, Interesting) 275

NDAs are to cover technology or "trade secrets" - writing a review for "peppermint Coca-Cola" (making something up) saying "it sucks moose balls" isn't revealing their 'recipe' for making it or anything secret, anyone can buy a can and make their own judgement.

By the same token, even if I enter an NDA with a company to, say, integrate their technology into a product - saying "these people are a PITA to work with and I would never want to deal with them again" isn't violating the NDA on their technology.

Now... I could see perhaps if you entered into a deal with say Rossi and the "eCat" cold fusion nonsense, that saying "they're a fraud, the technology is a hoax" might perhaps be a gray area - but still, as long as you're not revealing their 'secret catalyst' or the actual (non-) functioning details of the device, you aren't really revealing their 'secret' technology?

Comment Re:Er? (Score 2) 314

The idea that systemd is only relevent on the desktop could not be further from the truth. I would say it's even more relevant on servers, where I expect services to be managed reliably. SysV init cannot do that. (E.g., there is no guarantee that after "/etc/init.d/httpd stop" all httpd processes are really gone

Anyone who has ever tried running BackupExec Linux agents is well familiar with stopping the service 32 times while the process merrily continues running in a borked state, only fixed with a "killall' command.

So you're "fixing" a bad application by changing the OS?

Apparently that's the "preferred solution" now... to me it seems to make far more sense to fix the application (BackupExec) to work the way it should, but that type of "logic" apparently doesn't apply to the systemd people who think that the "proper" way to fix that is to write a complex init system replacement and continue to allow people who write shitty service/daemon code to continue writing crappy code.

Comment Re:/etc/inittab (Score 1) 314

and rc.d it's so simple.

It's so simple that half of the init scripts in FreeBSD are half unusable, do not check for stale pids, fail to correctly bring down the services....

Sounds like those issues are implementation based.

Yeah, sounds like some work needs to be done fixing the init scripts rather than writing a whole new init system to allow people to keep writing crappy scripts?

and none of the rc.d scripts use containers, so resource management is impossible, because all of the daemons fork() and you lose track of the process and its children, and we have 3-4 daemons trying to manage suspend/resume features per each distribution, while the desktop managers try to override that, and.

Ok - well your talking about desktop stuff here, which is an interesting perspective that I didn't really consider, however I still think that is doable in inittab with much less effort. rc is only a runlevel solution, whereas inittab would be more relevant to desktop. I don't need to keep track of the process and it's children because init can maintain the parents state for me - if the parent isn't signalling it's children then we are back to implementation issues again.

Yup, instead of tackling the real problem - poorly written services - their "solution" is to try to write a new init system to allow crappily written services to be tracked/"controlled", ignoring the fact that the crappy modular services should be rewritten.

I don't care if you don't like systemd, but saying that the rc.d systemd is simple, and implying that there is no problem whatsoever, is closing your eyes and ears while chanting LALALALALA like a kid.

jeeez. I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm not being a jerk about it, I'm trying to gauge other peoples experiences. I don't give a fuck about init if systemd is better - it's just another technology. But if it is better than shouldn't it be immediately apparent *WHY* it is better?

Yeah, and I don't see as it "fixes" anything other than adding a lot more complexity to "fix" things that it shouldn't have anything to do with.

Comment Re:/etc/inittab (Score 1) 314

It could be argued that such things are simply not the responsibility of the init system. I think that is where much of the complaints about systemd come from, the perception that it is taking the roles of other things and folding them into itself. Given how it has been expanding to include more and more services and has increased coupling, they kinda have a point. Many see systemd as solving problems that are philosophical in the first place as opposed to practical.

"One ring to rule them all."

Comment Re:/etc/inittab (Score 1) 314

What daemon manager solves those problems? And what is the point of having an init that basically does nothing but spawn a daemon manager and a few gettys? Why not just move that code into the kernel (oh wait, it is already there - it launches init)?

If your daemon manager really did do all the stuff you want it to do, and it dies, then the effects would be about the same as init crashing anyway.

Indeed. When, pray tell, was the last time init crashed on you? 28yrs of unix sysadmin, I can't recall one.

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