Actually if you read the various articles on the data used for this study (Leisure World / Laguna Woods data) or watch the 60 minutes show they clearly articulate people who abstained from alcohol lived shorter lives.

So if you want to live a long time moderate (1-2 units/day) may actually be needed.

I drink Pliny the Elder every Thursday @ 11 am at a bar locally here that taps just ONE KEG and this keg lasts about 1 Hour. 30-50 pitchers of beer.

Micro-bubbles in the brew.

Pliny is nice. Its balanced, lots of hops, IPA classic, only good fresh, and its smooth

Hops are really awesome. They are brain food. Also brewers yeast is able to even control blood pressure.

I love beer.

Wrong.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wa...

Vitamins didn't seem to affect longevity, but alcohol intake did, with people who drank up to two drinks per day having a 10-15 percent reduced risk of death compared to non-drinkers. "A lot of people like to say it's only red wine. In our hands it didn't seem to matter," says Dr. Kawas.

might want to check the facts on this.

And here's something else you forgot to factor in - we're not that drunk.

Did you hear that everybody? They said they're not that drunk! Cheeky bastards!

They're not that drunk! They're not that drunk! They're not that drunk!

The pictures are best viewed while chanting :

Kali Ma Shakti de! Kali Ma Shakti de!

And the high priest of the Red Planet of Doom may be seen.

Identify what resources are limited and change the culture and work culture to use less of them.

Its hard to argue against longer lives when nearly everyone from age 21-62 drives a car to work to get printed fiat monopoly money to feed themselves in the age where nearly all the work is transitioning to knowledge can be done from home/telecommute/virtual teams.

Dream big, its OK. Maybe if life was possibly longer people would take more time making big decisions and the rat race would slow down. I think there would be less inter-generational low/middle class reset where every generation is in a rat race to build from zero.

I think Star Trek type futures are possible for Earth, and we dont need to install lifeclocks to get there. We should also just consider valuing life and not simply pleasurable existence.

I don't think there are many dreams of futures without some form of life extension.

Some wax poetic and philosophic about how life extension is like the One Ring stretching out Bilbo and Gollum, but with a properly enlightened society with strong family ties multiple generations co-habiting could provide an awesome view of the past, living history, to help teach the next generation.

I see ageing as a currently inescapable fact of life. I also know there are 400 year old clams. I think we should attempt to treat ageing as a disease, who that each life is valuable and worth saving and cherish the time the elders spend with the young to bring a different (but sometimes wrong and thought provoking) perspective.

There was an episode of TNG (Half a Life) where people who got to a certain age killed themselves. I was strongly in favor of letting the scientist live, but the show used the family and social norms and mores to make this a hard show to call black and white on.

So let's think to do the opposite of Logan's Run. Lets dream big and not run to the grave like its a cradle.

No, not at all. If you know who Mark Hurd and Safra Catz are, you will be wishing for kind, nice old Larry back.

I was in a meeting with Safra a while back. I was a fly on the wall. Then a discussion came up about engineering details. Not too relevant to business besides timelines.

She interrupted the line of thinking and said the "Little people will take care of this."

She is amazing to hear speak, she has her business acumen, some technical chops, and she has her stuff together. She is one lean, mean chainsaw. Larry is seriously tame compared to her.

And Hurd, well, he is known for slash and burn techniques that do well for shareholders (in consort with a favorable market) but usually reduce headcount in sometimes painful ways. HP has many coffins with Hurd's name on it.

Larry is going to sit in a lawn chair enjoying retirement and watch Hurd and Catz vie for total power, control and domination. I put my money on Safra. He gets to watch a cage match to see who wins the title of Larry, Turbo Version 2.0++

I wonder if 4-5 cigs per day used in a sauntering smoke break would be healthier than stoking from DVT by sitting on your keester all day.

I get a little tired of the Musk worship.

Why does his company need a huge pile of tax breaks to succeed? If I open a company tomorrow, how can I get away with not paying taxes?

Why are Tesla's debt bonds in Junk status but he continues to get freebies from states?

Why are Tesla's cars so rudely expensive? Is there a plan for a 4 door sedan that a real family can afford in the 20K - 30K range like the Prius?

Why is it that a guy with a big mouth and political friends on all sides gets so much tax subsidy, loans, breaks and deals?

Why are guys who run factories employing tons of US citizens in US based factories (like Toyota) who produce super reliable product with great mileage get slapped by the media when a bogus story about a gas pedal getting stuck?

Not sure why people need a super-hero.

3.8 million priuses have been sold and cab drivers will tell you they easily go into the 300K range and even if the battery runs out the car is still useable.

But instead we continue to give money to the cartoon guy.

Agree. They should be fought. Their copyright extension act is unconstitutional as it violates equal protection of laws. However, the oligarchical collectivists enjoy total control over the laws in the USSA Police state.

Deadmouse is, however, an un-original riff ripping repetitive douche and would be a bad rallying point for this cause.

A good treatment of US crappyright law is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

Generally totally favors drug, software and media companies and screws everyone else.

Normally I would side with anyone but Disney. From criminal copyright extension acts, to aggressive MPAA, RIAA support, to supporting trash like DMCA and even bribing the US police state to craft up illegal monopolistic oligarchical collectivist trash like the Sonny Bono Copyright Extension act which crafted an illegal unconstitutional law (by equal protection of laws) to extend the copyright of Mickey Mouse and Disney related trash which incidentally was initially STOLEN by Walt from Ub Iwerks.

I've been listening to electronic music forever. Never have I seen the worst of the worst rise to the top like deadmouse - whose idiot name I will refuse to spell with a "5". He is an unoriginal repetitive uncreative monotonous loser hack. He steals he stupid mickey mouse image from Prisney (Prison-Disney) - he steals his riffs and rhythms and beats from decades of those who come before him and honestly I would rather listen to the likes of Boney-M and Dschinghis Khan who in my opinion are more relevant to Music than this puke Deadmouse.

Closed source isnt even the bar anymore. GPL lunatics crib about CDDL and a whole host of other licenses. I'd rather have closed source that works than open half-bake.

systemd is breaking UNIX tradition - which is things may suck, but they suck simply. Now its a horrible mess. We now have (1) scripts, (2) openrc, (3) upstart and (4) systemd. What a sick joke.

And the best thing I've seen so far to replace startup scripts is Sun's SMF... NIH alert! We couldnt have copied that - something that actually worked - no we need to have yet another method of starting things.

Worse thing is eth0 is now en0p1FuK0001, drivers are modprobbed in random order, stuff gets renamed and moved around, and NetworkMangler aka NetworkManager is shoved down our throats.

Its horrible. And its very desktop-ish.

What do you expect from a guy whose magnum opus was a sound framework for linux. Yeah, thats the guy you want re-writing how everything starts and stops. Dont copy the guys who invented NFS or ZFS or stuff like that, copy the junk the sound guy comes up with.

Agree. I think there should be something between Intel NUC and R-Pi. I think R-Pi has merit in that its just enough compute and memory to do almost everything, but I think in 2014 that more can be done with $35-$50.

The police are paid by corrupt politicians with counterfeit dollars aka federal reserve notes. The LEOs and Military Brass take pay and pension and work daily to undermine or flat out destroy freedom and liberty here in the police state USSA. They are designed to make arrests to feed people into the law-machine for extracting wealth. They are not primarily out to maintain law and order, as we can see from Ferguson, this outfit is not smart FBI types that can profile a criminal or crowd and work to maintain law and order. They are generally morons who didnt serve in the military with guns, they never pay for a crime they commit (thin blue line, weasel justice system) and they dont care about law an order, they care about feeding people into the machine.

I refuse to put them on a pedestal in the days of lawless government.