I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Damn. Thought I'd take that chance.

The Ocho Cinco!

Well don't I feel like the fucking asshole?

Why don't they use this when advertising Purel and whatnot - they only say that it kills bacteria on the bottle...

Ah, yes, of course. Cow methane is completely different from automotive carbon dioxide, and since it's from a completely organic source, won't affect the environment. God damn it, you've cracked it!

I would tend to agree with you, if you were in fact correct. But I guess the world needs people who are wrong too.

Sorry, I stopped reading after the first paragraph because it's Saturday.

I'm talking about a) averaged economy here, and b) a different Polo.

There's a reason the EPA are changing the methods they use to measure economy, and it's because the hybrid measurements were not accurate.

Whoosh!

See what I mean? Perceptions, man. There's a Volkswagen (Polo) they sell in Europe at the moment that in BlueMotion diesel tune will get 70, yes, 70 miles per gallon. Believe it. But, alas and alack, it's not sold here because the marketeers say Americans will never buy diesel. And because of that, the diesel here is shite compared to the 'clean' diesel they sell in Europe.

Also, despite the fact that Toyota claims 48 mpg in EPA testing, no respectable publication has come even close to that in real-world testing.

Here's an example... the diesel Jetta vs the Prius. The Jetta wins. You'd need to drive the Prius for 100 months to equal the fuel efficiency and tax credits of the Jetta.

Don't believe the hype.

There are 1.6 Billion cattle in the world. I left that bit out.... But it's not just the cattle as individuals. Entire ecosystems are wiped out by erosion and inefficient use of land, as well as fertilizers and whatnot. Oh, and the drain on water resources is immense. And this is coming from a staunch meatatarian.

The only backup for your claim (a claim which I would tend to believe) was on a site that had a picture of Ed Begley Jr. on it, so I got the fuck out of there pretty quick. I'll just accept your claim as fact, because I can't deal with that self-important snapperhead smiling back at me from my computer screen.

I guess the point is, it's not the individuals - it's industry. And as long as industry can hide behind spurious claims of greening, your organic bean patch isn't going to do shit all except make you feel better about yourself.

So maybe an organic bean patch is a good idea.

Ah, but you forget one thing: Green-washing is now a valid way of bringing in the big bucks from consumers. Look at things like the Toyota Prius, which is blown out of the water in fuel consumption by pretty much any modern diesel of the same size or smaller (and the diesel doesn't require environmentally unfriendly battery production/destruction techniques) - but it doesn't matter, that, because the Prius has been cemented in the public consciousness. Mention diesel to people, and it conjures up images of the smoky, rattling behemoths spawned by the 70s oil embargo. It's not about better, it's about perception. The public is so willing to give up money and comfort now to save the environment (which fills me with an odd pride in humanity) that they'll give up their supposedly errant ways for ones that are perceived as helping reduce damage.

The big thing, the elephant in the room that nobody is talking about is the farm industry, by FAR the most polluting industry out there. One cow puts out more methane by belching (cows don't fart) in one year than a Land Rover Discovery. Put down that steak, and pick up that asparagus!

Yes, I know I didn't cite anything, but I felt like ranting. I read it somewhere, I think. Anyway, that's still a more robust source than most of the envirogangsters' info.

...and the worst part is... I never learned to reeeaaaddd!!!

I wanted it dumbed down, not academicked up! It's OK, you were beaten to it by an automotive analogy.

Spare me your medical mumbo-jumbo. Say it in English, Doc!

I want plasma bog roll.