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Comment Re:Won't corporate transition to IPV6 free up IPV4 (Score 1) 425

I saw a presentation given by the president of ARIN recently on the Research Channel. He predicted that IPV6 and IPV4 will run in parallel for about a decade, so I don't see corporations giving up their IPV4 address space anytime soon.

The fact that I said it doesn't make it true, but I definitely believe that there will be many organizations running IPv4 internally for years to come, and it's only when its commonplace to use IPv6 will organizations think about turning off IPv4. Your mileage may vary.
/John
President and CEO, ARIN

Comment Re:Needs Leadership... (Score 1) 425

We first need to get BGP on board - only a small percentage of ASNs are announcing both ipv4 and ipv6 space. If i was supreme dictator of the internet I would tell ARIN that in 7 years, no multihomed ASN renewals would be accepted unless the ASN announces at least one prefix in IPv6. By doing this you would force the core network infrastructure to begin migrating and userland would eventually follow...

Steveb - No supreme dictator, but there is an ARIN policy process and *anyone* in the community can submit proposals... https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

Comment Re:Network armageddon (Score 1) 425

"Many network experts argue we're nearing network armageddon, but they've been saying that for years." Say what? "Network armageddon" is already here and we've been living in it for years. The horrors of NAT, the crampedness of addresses making configuration a pain, public addresses expensive, and so on. It's just not been a sudden catastrophe, it's been more like boiling a live frog by putting it in cold water and then slowly heating it.

Slight difference... ISPs can still get (today) fresh blocks of IPv4 addresses. That *will* end in about one year, and then you'll see layers of NAT as you've never seen them before...

Comment Half-right (still need to look at public web svrs) (Score 1) 425

It's true that for the average network manager, IPv6 is likely a non-event for some time. There's no particular reason to upgrade your internal infrastructure to IPv6, unless you run across an application that requires it.
However, the public Internet is going to IPv6; the principle reason it hasn't happened (despite IPv6 being standard and available since 1999) is that the problem solved by IPv6 is running out of globally unique IPv4 addresses, and that's only happening next year. Look at the work being done by Global Crossing, NTT, Verizon, Google, Comcast, Facebook and others and you'll see that this is not a fad, it's a significant change that's going to happen slowly over the next few years.
For this reason, the typical network manager does need to look at the external servers (those outside the wonderful NAT) and decide when they'll add IPv6 addresses to those servers that are IPv4-only today. Why bother adding IPv6? It's simple: new broadband customers globally are going to start being connected via IPv6 (out of necessity) and if you want the same end-to-end connectivity you enjoy today, adding IPv6 to your public servers is the quickest route. The alternative is accessing via central carrier-sized NAT devices, which really have unknown performance at scale. This has audio/video streaming, games, geolocation and other implications.
The Internet

What Happens When IPv4 Address Space Is Gone 520

darthcamaro writes 'We all know that IPv4 address space is almost all gone — but how will we know when the exact date is? And what will happen that day? In a new report, ARIN's CIO explains exactly what will happen on that last day of IPv4 address availability: '"We will run out of IPv4 address space and the real difficult part is that there is no flag date. It's a real moving date based on demand and the amount of address space we can reclaim from organizations," Jimmerson told InternetNews.com. "If things continue they way they have, ARIN will for the very first time, sometime between the middle and end of next year, receive a request for IPv4 address space that is justified and meets the policy. However, ARIN won't have the address space. So we'll have to say no for the very first time."'

Comment Re:DJB on the v6 mess (Score 1) 264

Petermgreen - We actually agree in one sense: the goal is to make sure that the public *servers* have unique addresses. It's not very difficult for corporate and hosting firms to make their public web sites IPv6 reachable in addition to IPv6. We're not talking about 99% of the home users or servers internal to the corporate firewall, just the public servers. Once there's critical mass in dual-homed public web content, it's possible for fiber/cable/broadband carriers to connect customers with IPv6 and dynamic IPv4 NAT for the remainder of the content.

Comment Re:Reclaim unused address space (Score 1) 264

RLH - Excellent points. Presently, the theory is that if you've got unused address space, you should return it so that other organizations that have need can be assigned it. This actually has happened (again, http://blog.icann.org/2008/02/recovering-ipv4-address-space/) but realistically, may not be the most popular route. In 2009, the community adopted a transfer policy which allows one party to transfer their address blocks to another (and be compensated independent of ARIN) but the receiving party has to prove the documented need to receive it. Since there's still addresses in the free pool, there's not a lot of reason for someone to pay when ARIN will provide them directly the same space once they've documented their need. FYI.

Comment Re:Not entirely true (companies selling subnets... (Score 1) 264

Transfers outside of the community adopted policies are fraud, report them here https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/ and watch the resources be reclaimed. To the extent that you think the policy should/should not be changed, then get involved on the ARIN public policy process https://www.arin.net/participate/index.html. /John

Comment Re:DJB on the v6 mess (Score 2, Informative) 264

DJB is correct, in that the IETF considered it outside their scope to do a "transition plan for the Internet"... This means that instead of having one standard model for how to get to IPv6, we've seen a veritable parade of transition and coexistence technologies. The combination of no clear transition plan plus no new end-user features makes deployment of IPv6 challenging, and I noted the same thing 15 years ago in RFC 1669. Despite all of the above, IPv6 remains the only viable answer if we want to keep growing the Internet.
The Internet

IPv6 Challenges and Opportunities 315

1sockchuck writes "Opinions differ on when the Internet will run out of IPv4 addresses, prompting a wholesale transition to IPv6. In recent videos, John Curran of ARIN provides an overview of issues involved in the IPv6 transition, while Martin Levy of Hurricane Electric discusses his company's view that early-mover status on IPv6 readiness can be a competitive advantage for service providers. Levy's company has published an IPv4 DeathWatch app for the iPhone to raise awareness of the transition."

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