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Comment Re:Haleluja ... (Score 1) 669

if something can't exist that's unobservable; then the assumption must be made that our ability to observe the universe is absolute.

But our ability to observe the observable universe, over time, is absolute by definition. If we don't and never will have the ability to observe it, it's not part of the observable universe; if it's part of the observable universe, we have or will have the ability to observe it.

Any hypothetical "unobservable universe" -- again, over time, meaning not just "that which we currently cannot observe" but "that which we can never observe" -- is not meaningful, except perhaps as a philosophical amusement if your tastes run that way. Non-falsifiable hypotheses don't get us far.

(I am, of course, allowing for the usual sorts of indirect observation here.)

Comment Re:Haleluja ... (Score 1) 669

Intelligence is an interface-behavior not explained by physics. Consciousness cannot be an illusion, because having an illusion requires consciousness.

Please define "intelligence" and "consciousness" in the context of the observable universe. The only way I can see "intelligence" is to see an organism engage in complex problem-solving behavior, and the only way I can see "consciousness" is to see an organism respond to stimuli. Both of these are accounted for quite well by physicalism.

You basically claim that no observations can be made if an interface is present and all observations have to go though it.

I didn't say anything about an "interface".

I'll try to state it another way: I (using the word "I" for linguistic convenience and declining to open up a can of worms about the "self" at this time...) observe a physical, objective, world. For the sake of getting shit done, I assume such a world exists, that I'm not a brain in a vat or a butterfly dreaming I'm a man or the like, and that such world more-or-less corresponds to my observations; but we should not that this is an axiom and not a conclusion.

Phenomenon in this world, including the fascinating behavior of a certain ape species, seem to occur in patterns we can call "supervenience" and/or "reductionism" (where the same phenomenon can be looked at at different depths), and "causality" (where phenomenon follow each other in time sequence). It seems they could all in principle be explained as the complex dance of particles and fields acting over time.

I also observe a mental, subjective, internal world. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say in the act of perceiving the external world and in perceiving memories, the existence of perception is implied.

This perception is part of the given, and it is singular and indivisible -- atomic, in a word. (In the philosophical sense, not the chemical sense!) As it cannot be divided, trying to investigate it by reductionist means goes nowhere. As it is singular and there are no other objects of its type to interact with it, causality is meaningless. This perception "just is". I perceive (or at least, something perceives, darn the metaphysical assumption coded into our grammatical conventions!) therefore perception exists. Perception is not part of the external, observable world, and so seeking some explanation for it out there is not meaningful.

Is there perception that is similar to but divided from that which is given as "my" experience? The question has no possible answer. If there was such perception, by its nature I would be unable to know it, since it is divided from the perception that I have (or that is "me", if you like).

Sure, as a practical and ethical matter, I make the assumption that there is such perception and that it is associated with at least some of the humans and other organisms I see "out there". It seems a bad thing when suffering comes into "my" perception and a good thing when pleasure comes into it; if there might be other perceptions it would be consistent to regard the suffering that comes into them as bad. Not knowing, I adopt a precautionary attitude.

But fundamentally, it's unknowable and unobservable. And trying to create an explanation within observable reality for something that can never be observed is inherently a fallacy, a metaphysical confusion.

Comment Re: don't use biometrics (Score 1) 328

Not illegal to know people. I'm not responsible for what my friends do. Next.

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we have incontrovertible evidence that this man was in contact with several drug dealers. What kind of citizen associates with criminals? A co-conspirator, of course. And what defense does he offer? 'Not illegal to know people.' Well, ladies and gentlemen, it is illegal to engage in criminal conspiracy! Justice demands that you find him guilty."

If you think people haven't been sent up on cases that flimsy, you're not part of the reality-based community. If you're white and wealthy you might be willing to take your chances on the system working; otherwise, if you're informed and interested in self preservation, invoke you legal rights at every opportunity and keep the so-called "criminal justice" system as far away from you as possible.

It's not so trivial to not be laughed at by the judge if you try it with approaches like yours above.

Sit in court sometime and see the flimsy cases that ordinary citizens are convicted under. Judges don't laugh at cops or prosecutes -- they're all colleagues, with the same government signing their checks.

Comment Re: West Virginia too (Score 1) 468

I find it perplexing that a party who claims to be pro-freedom so quickly and aggressively attacked an unalienable right.

Neither party is pro-freedom. They are exactly and only pro-putting-members-of-their-own-party-into-office. One party has found hoplophobia useful for that, the other has found homophobia useful for that. Fsck 'em both. We need to break to two party system open now.

Comment Re:Only YEC denies it (Score 1) 669

The Big Bang states that the Universe gave birth to itself, and by implication gave birth to any gods or other form of Deity that may be around today.

No, it doesn't. You might want to read up on the origins of the Big Bang theory, and the Catholic guy who invented it. It's entirely possible to believe that a being outside the space-time continuum created our universe with a bang -- or laid an egg which hatched, or farted or sneezed out the Cosmos.

I don't accept any of these theories, mind, but there's nothing directly contradictory about believing in a creator outside the continuum created in the Big Bang; indeed that's what some multiverse theories (e.g., black hole cosmology) amount to, though of course they're not speaking of a conscious creator.

Comment Re:Haleluja ... (Score 1) 669

But physicalism is indeed far to limited a model for observable reality.

Howso? You speak of "intelligence" and "consciousness", but the behavior I see of humans and other animals is quite adequately explained by a physicalist, neurological explanation. Sensory transducers tickle certain nerves, via the network of the nervous system other nerves fire in a chain and eventually make muscles move (or gland secrete or whatever). That these muscle movements in a human being sometime hit keyboard keys to spell out "I am a conscious being!", or cause complex vocalizations, is fundamentally no more mysterious than any other observable behavior of an organism with a brain.

Does this objective account explain my own subjective internal experience of life? The question is meaningless -- no set of observations of the external, objective universe have bearing on my internal, subjective experience. And if other beings have internal, subjective experiences, they are by definition not part of the external, objective, observable universe, and it's a fallacy to seek explanations of the unobservable in the observable. Indeed it seems a fallacy to seek explanations (in the causal sense) of the unobservable at all...

Comment Re:NSA Indexing (Score 1) 145

I'm completely harmless. I'm a married middle class worker who pays his taxes and has no interest in harming anyone.

Same could be said of most of the Japanese-Americans whom the federal government put in concentration camps during WWII.

Innocence and harmlessness are no protection when governments go bad.

Comment Re:Why would I use it? (Score 1) 631

Why would I use it?

Because merchants are probably going to start charging you a fee to use your credit card. They may hide it by jacking up prices then offer a "CurrentC discount" or something (sort of like the so-called "cash discount" at the gas station), since it's still tricky to charge a CC fee, but merchants are getting reamed and are trying hard to find a way to stop it. Where do you think that cash back on your Visa card comes from?

Comment Re:What are you talking about Willis? (Score 1) 235

It's a prison where horrible things had to happen to prevent ever more horrible things from happening.

It's a prison where people did horrible things and tried to excuse them by saying they had to, in order to prevent ever more horrible things from happening, but in reality prompted yet more horrible things. See political martyr, and please stop believing that you put out a fire by pouring more fuel on it, or stop horrors by committing more horrors.

Comment Re: Snowden (Score 1) 221

All I said was that China and Russia call him a patriot and asked if you could be a patriot for more than one country.

A patriot is someone who loves their country. Snowden is a patriot who loves the United States. If some folks in Russia and China correctly identified this fact, good for them. (Note that loving the United States has nothing to do with loving its government: as Thoreau said, "A very few- as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men- serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it.")

Comment Re:and they use cash businesses as examples (Score 5, Informative) 424

What happened to be "innocent until proven guilty"?

It went out of fashion in the 1990s. Because War On (some) Drugs.

Seriously, people, this civil forfeiture bullshit has been going on since the late 20th century. It's legal roots go back to the 1600s, but it was the U.S. in the 1990s where it started to get egregious.

Are y'all just learning about it? Start with the wik for a decent overview.

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