lol, what the hell do you think refusing to change seats is?

Escalation is the only thing that changes things. Maybe what this country needs is a white nerd to get murdered by a cop. Maybe then the right wingers will be like "Oh, shit, you mean the cop problem is real?"

Then again, the "am I free to go" guy gets ridiculed by the social justice types. They want to pretend that civil libertarians are all bravado, but when those civil libertarians routinely cash the checks their mouths write, somehow they're still in the wrong.

What a bunch of chumps. They should have followed the smart people and put their money into Star Citizen, which totally isn't a cult or Ponzi scheme.

Firstly no one's forced anything on anyone.

I'm sorry, you're right, that's a huge difference. It's like getting mad that some guy is publicly "considering" raping someone. It's not the same as actual rape.

Moving the goalpost? You'd first have to make a counter-argument for that. Unless you're actually asserting that governments never engage in nanny-state boondoggles over trivial issues, which is laughable.

No, the goalposts have stayed put, but I have scored two touchdowns. You conceded that the feminist concerns over sexism in video games are trivial:

This argument is even more trivial than what they're doing and yet here you are.

and now you just implicitly agreed that "forcing" sexism labels on video games is bad thing, by telling me they haven't actually done it yet, as if I were overstating the grievance.

Apparently you're allowed to do pointeless, trivial things yourself but they are not. Hypocrite!

Let me know when a first world government takes up one of my hobbies and forces it on an industry. 'Cause that would be awesome!

I hope it is SETI. Fuckin' Proxmire ruined SETI. We need a tax on sci-fi movies to fund SETI.

Are you basically saying that these people should go out and stop abortion clinics being closed rather than do sociology?

The fact that you believe their whining about video games constitutes a science is not flattering to that science.

I'm saying that all the sexism in all the video games ever made has not hurt women more than the closing of any single abortion clinic where a clinic is needed. How much more explicitly do I need to state it?

And you know it is true. You won't deny it, because you would be a pretty shitty "ally" for feminism if you dismissed actual suffering in favor of internet feels suffering.

And I'm not telling them what they should be doing, I'm demonstrating how vacuous their cause is, how duplicitous their motives are, for focusing on something so utterly trivial in the grand scheme of things. They do not actually care about the plight of women, they care about the promotion of an ideology and an identity that hijacks the plight of women to fuel their ego gratification.

People have a right to make sexist video games. People have a right to play sexist video games. So what do they hope to accomplish by creating a lynch mob mentality over video games? It won't even stop sexist video games from being made. What it does do is give them an excuse to pat themselves on the back, claim credit when some studio or some website is a cajoled into appeasing them. They are petty tyrants looking for power to wield.

It would be disingenuous to suggest that sexism does not primarily impact women negatively.

It would be disingenuous to suggest that all the sexism in all the video game ever made impacts women more negatively than the closing of a single abortion clinic where one is needed.

SJWs need to get the fuck over themselves.

More like Incredibles themed than WoW themed, but with "technology" instead of superpowers.

And why does it have a backstory shoe-horned into it away? How is that supposed to translate into "capture the flag" or whatever?

How many people in tech had welfare crack whores for mothers?

Dude. Your dog whistle is broken. Everyone can hear it.

It's funny how this charlatan thinks he has the authority to declare evolution true.

And yet he probably believes that by saying a few magic words a cracker and grape juice become the literal body of a guy dead for two thousand years.

A single study is "good evidence" because it finds interesting correlations beyond the dozens if not hundreds of studies that find gender differences in spatial ability, which you call "very little evidence". As if the "spatial ability" measured is the same as being "'curious' about systems".

Who is actually fishing for data to fit the narrative here?

preeminent misogynist theory is that women are born with physiological differences that make them naturally less inclined toward the field

"The difference is, females in general are much more interested in what you can do with the technology, than with just the technology itself," says Harvey Mudd President Maria Klawe

It certainly doesn't take much of a leap of faith to agree with Barbara Ericson, a senior research scientist at the Georgia Institute of Technology, when she says that "Boys fall in love with computers as machines; girls see them as tools to do something else."

When the people actually doing something about getting girls into computer science say things like that, it certainly sounds like they believe girls aren't naturally inclined toward the field, at least not the way boys are.

(And why do you deny physiological differences? Are you a TERF?)

Exposing corruption is not trolling.

Some mentally ill slut fucking her boss is not evidence of corruption.

No one wants to touch "gamer gate" because you people are cringe-worthy. We were gaining traction against the SJW co-option of internet media, but then you dumb autistic fucks ruined it with your conspiracy theories and harassment.

You are intentionally being an idiot (I hope it's not natural). A "know-it-all" is not a manly thing, it's annoying. And dickish. And puts people off. Most know-it-alls don't in fact know it all.

Not a manly thing? They literally call that policy "Operation Eliminate the Macho Effect". And by the way, italics indicate sarcasm.

So am I the idiot, or are they? (I suspect the largest idiot is a third party.)

Stop pretending it's a gendered issue.

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These aren't just whatever, "it's just people making choices". It's clearly social and political influence.

you also shouldn't care about us people trying to effect social and political changes.

We're not supposed to care about your deliberate interference, but you're allowed to care about the choices women make, because society got in their heads and made them make the wrong choices?

Normally I don't care. But people like you are not trying to eliminate the sexism (probably because your assertions of it are vastly overstated), but trying to change the nature of the field to make it more friendly to stereotypes about women, without any consideration as to whether these changes will actually improve the field and the skillset of CS graduates.

Read this article about one presumably successful effort.

And let's look at the assumptions these efforts make, and their solutions.

"The first class you take is a weed-out class, and they are shocked by the fact they don't get any women at the end."

CS is too hard for women because, despite growing up with computers, they never learned how to program before. Lighten the intro courses to be less "weed out".

"Know-it-alls in any section are told to cool it so no one is intimidated."

Women are intimidated by knowledge and enthusiasm. Don't show off. It's too... manly.

"Along with changes to the introductory courses, Mudd works hard to keep women interested in the field."

Women need to be pandered to to keep them interested.

"Women and men work through problems in very different ways"

Women's brains are different. But still, ignore those troglodytes who said women are naturally less inclined to be interested in abstract machines.

"They bemoaned middle and high school math teachers who didn't engage or inspire."

More pandering is the solution. Nevermind the boys who never got that encouragement either. (High school CS curriculum was a joke twenty years ago, and it still is.)

Is coddling women going to make them better programmers? Who knows, maybe it will. But don't pretend you aren't coddling them.