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Comment Re:Well, this won't backfire! (Score 2) 268

"It's not that simple. The problem is that dirt sells, so for any given interesting person, there is always dirt. Getting reliable sources to say anything else about the subject of the BLP is harder, because good news doesn't sell. So if you are a person who is prominent in a small community, and you get famous because of an exciting news story, you wind up with a BLP page that makes you look like a scumbag, and says absolutely nothing about whatever it was that got you prominent enough that a gossip story about you was able to make the news. I've seen this happen to a couple of prominent figures. It's unfixable, because a gossip column is more reliable than an organizational web page. Personally, I count myself lucky that I don't have a wikipedia biography."

Well said. This is very true, generally speaking, and one of the systemic problems with Wikipedia, or any encyclopedia that writes biographies on the basis of gossip rags.

In this case, however, it also seems that Wikipedia contributors may actually have gone slightly overboard in excluding positive material – Barry's philanthropic endeavours have attracted quite a bit of sympathetic coverage, little of which seems to be reflected in the article.

The question is not whether some of the bad stuff was true, it's whether it was unduly emphasised (at one point for example, an editor changed the infobox format to the one used for criminals, which does seem a bit malicious), and whether balancing coverage was excluded. I think the editors may have reacted to what they perceived as somewhat promotional edits, and decided to punish the biography subject. If so, that may not have been a good idea.

Comment Re:Well, this won't backfire! (Score 3, Interesting) 268

One problem is that people will typically read the Wikipedia article first, and allow it to colour their perception. Big mistake if the article is biased to begin with, and a sort of kafkaesque situation for the victim. Wikipedia has known problems in this area, see e.g. Revenge, ego and the corruption of Wikipedia by Andrew Leonard; The tale of Mr Hari and Dr Rose – A false and malicious identity is admitted by David Allen Green; the story of Taner Akcam, Any political filth or personal libel can be hurled at the innocent, by Robert Fisk (originally published in The Independent); or that of Philip Mould, Mayfair art dealer Mark Weiss in disgrace after admitting poison pen campaign against rival Philip Mould, by Gordon Rayner.

Submission + - Wikipedia editors hit with $10 million defamation suit (dailydot.com)

Andreas Kolbe writes: Businessman, philanthropist and musician Yank Barry and the Global Village Champions Foundation are suing four Wikipedia editors for defamation, claiming they have maliciously conspired to keep Barry's Wikipedia biography unduly negative. The Daily Dot article includes a copy of the legal brief and quotes Barry as saying, “My page was so ridiculously false and made me sound like a terrible person and people believed it causing deals to fall through. I finally had enough.”

Submission + - German Wikipedia Has Problems With Paid Editing -- And Threats Of Violence 2

metasonix writes: As German journalist Marvin Oppong learned recently, there are a number of people who work to make articles about certain corporations and trade groups on German Wikipedia "look better". And when Oppong published his discoveries, one reaction was an openly violent threat, aimed at him, posted on de-WP's "Kurier" noticeboard. Just as with English Wikipedia, it is apparently a "terrible crime" to criticize German Wikipedia, even when Jimbo Wales's "bright line" rule on paid editing is being violated. Unlike English WP, the Germans will threaten to "curbstone" people for saying it.

Submission + - Even more Wikipedia donors caught editing their own Wikipedia articles (wikipediocracy.com) 2

powersynth102 writes: The first installment of Wikipediocracy's expose of major cash donors editing their own Wikipedia articles was greeted with yawns. Well, the second entry has appeared, and this one lists several major donors — all of whom heavily abused Wikipedia COI rules, and edited their own articles without notification. One turns out to be the John Templeton Fund, a notorious supporter of right-wing religious causes. Another is the Qatar Foundation, a nonprofit run by Qatar's royal family and a former customer of banned-for-eternity PR firm Bell Pottinger. The Qatar Foundation simply hired another PR firm, who kept editing. Increasingly, it appears that an organization can edit, and bias, its own Wikipedia content with impunity......provided money is given to the Wikimedia Foundation.

Comment Re:Conflict (Score 1) 125

Another question is: Why does the article cite dicehateme.com, which is an anonymous self-published website? That's against Wikipedia's rules on citing self-published sources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Another interesting fact is that Jimmy Wales once personally intervened on the article's talk page suggesting that a negative review of the game (cited to an unreliable source) be removed. But the positive material sourced to dicehateme.com has been in the article, unmolested, to this day. The sourcing of the article looks iffy in general (it includes primary sources of the type I've often seen Wikipedians remove on sight).

Comment Re:Conflict (Score 2) 125

The article was demonstrably (re-)created on 11 June 2011, four days before the launch, after the earlier version by Jsdillon had been deleted. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/ind... (go to the oldest contributions). Do you think that re-creation was unrelated to the launch four days later? I don't. (Note that someone at Wikipedia has restored the earlier, pre-deletion edits by Jsdillon since this was published; the December 2010 edits were invisible before, and Jsdillon had only 11 edits showing in the contributions history.)

Comment Re:The article's example is quite poor (Score 1) 125

The article creation was also *well-timed*, just four days before the sales launch of the hardcopy version, with staff clearly involved. That's a marketing effort, not encyclopedia writing. Like most Wikipedia articles on companies. Look at Wikipedia articles on, say, management consulting firms, or law firms. They're generally ads, written by single-purpose accounts that you can generally assume to be staff members or PR agents.

Comment Re:Conflict (Score 1) 125

It has to be said that often PR agents or article subjects start editing the article because someone has turned it into a hatchet job, and nobody cares. Risker, a longstanding member of Wikipedia's arbitration committee, recently said, on Jimbo Wales' talk page: "You remember when the press made a huge deal about people from Congress editing the pages of congressmen, and when the edits were actually reviewed, almost all of them were (a) cleaning up vandalism, (b) fixing errors of fact (c) updating factual information (e.g. voting records) or (d) removing BLP violations. Everyone got all upset about "congress" editing its own pages - until they realised that their interests were the same as our interests.(For the record - I personally reviewed about 75 of those edits and there wasn't one that I looked at that should have been reverted, but several that did get reverted and shouldn't have been.)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Comment Re:Conflict (Score 1) 125

According to EU law on deceptive advertising – and potentially, too, FTC guidelines in the US – there has to be a disclosure to the reader on the article page itself if companies write or contribute to their own Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia does not enable such disclosures. Enabling them has never been up for discussion. (For EU law, see the German frankincense – "Weihrauchpräparate" – judgment, which was quite clear on this matter.)

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