Comment Re:Land of the free (Score 1) 580
because whether one or two gun dealers sell a new type of gun is equivalent to what the police and army use? Really?
There is no middle ground because the phrase "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" is pretty damn clear.
You must have missed the part where I said: "Gun law advocates never admit to the 2nd amendment".
And there is a middle ground, whether that has been muddied or not. Can buy a tank? An anti-aircraft shoulder launcher? Oh you mean that is only for militia? But I thought it says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms". What are arms? military grade equipment? Nuclear ICBM? If you got the money "Shall not be infringed" seems pretty inclusive.
Living in California
So, do you think CA is overstepping its rights to create those laws? What about other states? So much for state sovereignty, right? Are you shocked that a state has a different definition of "arms" than you? I agree with you, CA has some asinine laws but so do ALL states.
Just because American politics have become bastardized into the extremes of both political parties in all conversations, does not mean there is no middle ground that accommodates the spirit and letter of the 2nd amendment as well as the civilities and power we (individually) have as a post-modern society.
Just for clarification, I am a gun owner and gun rights supporter but even I can see that the debate has become drivel like most conversations in the US.
Can't find source it was a year back or so.
Boise might be down with it,
Maybe a small lead in the popular vote in the city limits. But the districts/sate legislators are very few and far between.
Currently, there is not a gun dealer in the U.S. willing to offer a smart gun for sale. A company called Armatix, based in Germany with an office in California, this year had two gun dealers — one in Maryland and one in California — ready to offer its
The company promoted the breakthrough, and the national media jumped on the news. As a result, the two gun-shop owners were thrust into the eye of a national storm. They caught overwhelming criticism from gun owners and Second Amendment proponents. Both backed down and decided not to sell the gun.
from the second link I posted..
Yes, the law in NJ is dumb. So, is the reaction from gun rights activists/NRA on smart guns as a whole.
. That's not a joke, either. You can walk down the street without a license carrying a loaded shotgun in each hand, handguns strapped all over your waist and legs, and rifles slung over your back, but nunchucks are illegal. We need to draw the line somewhere. This isn't the wild west any more.
http://www.motherjones.com/pol...
Any one sane doesn't like armed-to-the-teeth wanna-be vigilantes walking around with an axe to grind. They are being socially ostracized too.
It may not be the Wild West anymore but the culture it shaped still clings to "simpler times". When all a man needed was his horse and a gun to tame the Wild and make a life for his family, away from that meddlesome government.
NJ State Senate Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg says she will work to reverse a law making smart guns mandatory in her state – if the NRA will agree to stop obstructing them.
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/wa... http://www.usatoday.com/story/...
It does not give a pass for stupid laws from being passed in NJ that mandated a certain type of gun in the first place. However, there was a willingness to compromise to allow consumers make the choice and repeal said stupid law.
I am for gun rights, but the debate is so soured that any discussion to make guns safer cannot even take place.
it's just that no firearms means less risk of gun related violence.
That may be true but a key difference in the US is that gun rights are codified into law and in the culture. What is the "Wild West" without guns? In Arizona, to this day, you can walk into a bank with a gun with no problems.
My biggest gripe with gun law conversations in the US is that the discussion never can have a middle ground. Gun law advocates never admit to the 2nd amendment while gun rights advocates never admit to sane policy. So, when there is a technology that may make guns safer or better, it gets muddied by talking point vomit.
The NRA gets upset over a "smart" gun because "hurr you have to wear a bracelet to use it". While anti-gun folks were mad because "hurr it's a gun therefore EVIL! In really, it was a interesting idea that has some issues that could be better with time and better tech.
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