They don't need tax breaks to succeed, but since the states were competing to get the gigafactory, the state that offers the highest tax breaks wins. If no state offered tax breaks on the factory, they'd have built it anyhow.

The junk bond status is because S&P doesn't think Tesla will succeed. It's an opinion.

Tesla has always been very open about their strategy. Electric cars are very expensive to make. Their plan was to introduce a high-cost sports car (the roadster) to build experience/resources/etc, and use the revenue from that to design a luxury sedan (the model S), and use that to start to get some economies of scale and use the revenue from that to build a mass-market vehicle (the model 3).

Their next stage of vehicle will not be 20-30K, but it will be a 40K vehicle competing with sedans like the Camry. As soon as it is possible to build a car for 20-30K that will compete with ICE cars, you can be sure that they'll do it.

In other words, they're currently limited by technology (or rather the cost of the technology).

Errm, isn't that the way US politics work in general?

How is this Tesla's fault? In fact, the media has been rather harsh on Tesla for minor problems like the occasional fire in a crash, despite the fact that they're still less likely to have that happen than regular cars.

The Prius has been on the market a lot longer than Tesla's cars. There's a guy putting 40K miles on his Roadster per year without issues, and they've got various warranties for batteries over the long haul.

Nevada's government is claiming that they'll get an 80:1 return on investments for the tax breaks. If true, it seems like a good investment to me. I'm a bit skeptical that they'll get that high of a return, but it seems certain they'll get back more than their investment.

If you live in Nevada, then they're indirectly getting your tax dollars (in that they are getting cheaper rates and tax breaks, rather than actual money handed over). However, the economic impact of the gigafactory is apparently expected to outstrip the tax breaks by a ratio of 80:1, so it sounds like a good deal... if the economic benefits the governor of Nevada is claiming are realized.

I never said I streamed, but if making up facts about the person you are talking too constitutes a discussion, please continue and tell me more things I'm doing. Maybe my mom wears combat boots?

" So either you don't actually watch porn, or you're full of shit."

I watch plenty of porn. The fact that your way of defending your position is declaring some sort of weird false dichotomy really indicates that you position can't stand on your own.

Seeing people for what they are. That's your argument. Your argument is that you want women to be blurry because you don't want to see their flaws. You want your reality censored. That is not the same as lower resolution being better. That *is* the same with my initial assessment that you are defective.

Maybe if you learn to appreciate women, you can learn to appreciate 1080p. What a sad fucking image of females and femininity you must have if you can't even look at them in lifelike quality. I'd suggest exploring your sexual spectrum more; maybe you don't actually like women, and that's why you don't like seeing them in detail. Or maybe you have some kind of prudish mental defect with sex. Catholic?

I love the "anyone who watches porn should be familiar". Fucking hilarious shit. I wonder how the porn industry bothered to cause blu-ray to win the blu-ray vs hd-dvd race, if anyone who watches it knows it looks worse? You'd think their blu-ray and hd sales would have plummeted to zero, since according to you, 100% of people who watch porn think like you.

Hilarious, man. And yes, it's exactly like the vinyl enthusiasts.

I guess you must really hate the movies, too, since movie theatre resolution is much closer to 1080p (by virtue of being "infinite" resolution analog prints) than 408p, dvd, or vhs quality. Lol.

also, 480p on a 52" 1080p is total fucking shit. If you want everything to be fuzzy, as if you have vision problems, it's great. I have 20/20 vision. Life never looks as shitty as 480p. DVD/480 on a big (>50") tv is basically the same density as VHS on a small ( Also, a 1080 web-dl looks noticeably better than a 1080 capture. I can tell in the first 2-3 seconds if it's been re-encoded (capture) or is straight-copy (web-dl).

I have no idea why you brought porn into this, as if I've never watched porn before (huh?), or as if this conversation was ever limited to porn.

As to me having never watched porn, does keeping your position on the subject actually require you to make up facts about others?

Stitching? Lacquers? No idea what you're talking about. Watched plenty of 1080p porn. Are you into plastic-surgery freaks or something? I actually now believe you to be making up facts about me *and* porn to try to legitimize your position.

But I understand. It's like arguing with a vinyl enthusiast -- They have a bunch of subjective, "religious", un-falsifiable claims to support their position, while people who support modern standards like FLAC or even CD have scientific, objective, falsifiable claims to support their position.

They are. If you actually want to, y'know, hear the sound reproduced faithfully - which is the whole point of listening to music - a cd will offer you better quality than all mp3 options and almost all streaming options.

It's strange that the majority of people who don't actually give a shit about fidelity get to determine the "winner", and not the ones who actually compare things. But hey, that's tyranny of the majority for ya.

I don't know if you live on another planet, or are another species, but I really can't comprehend how anybody could possibly say any of what you just said. I can only assume it's some form of nostalgic conditioning where you've decided something less accurate somehow looks better, or being shown something that's objectively better somehow offends what you're conditioned to see. I don't understand at all.

There is never any situation where a lower resolution looks better than a higher resolution, given all other variables being the same. It's just never, ever, ever, ever, ever the case. Ever. I don't know how you can say what you just said. It's about as odd as "I enjoy being burned by fires". I honestly think you must have poor vision, or extreme cognitive bias. You're "ruined" as someone who can objectively compare 2 things. You even imply that by saying your'e "unimpressed" when you actually see something better.

Would you make the argument that lower resolution cameras are better? Lower bitrate audio? That getting lasik will make life seem unimpressive? That vinyl is better than digital?

lol sounds like you're watching the wrong porn! If you want no physical flaws like real people in the real world, might I suggest Hentai? Or whatever the animated version of that is called?

If HD streaming gives worse-looking content than DVD, then that would indicate to me that BluRay *is* the winner. If that's the one way to get reliable HD content for those that care about getting HD content that isn't compressed down -- the winner is BluRay.

(Actually, the winner is bittorrent...)

Kids who grew up listening to 128kbps also claim to prefer it. Better is still better. I'll watch SD content if I want to see people where I can't quite discern their full expression because I can't see their pupils in distant shots, or a general lack of all detail.

I was actually kidding/trolling anyway. I haven't inserted a disc into a device to watch or listen to something in many many years.

Hate to break it to you, but blu-ray took off.

Sincerely, Guy who watched 0% of content in HD 5 years ago, and watches 95% of content in HD now.

Umm, what do you think kids are doing with their calculators? I seem to recall multi-player bomberman and tetris matches happening in the back of math class thanks to the TI-83+ link cable.

Good manners agree with you, but the "brandishing" law varies by state. If they're not directly threatening violence, easiest to just pick up the phone in the room, dial 9-911, and let the situation resolve itself without violence.