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Comment Re:How about abortion, or the death penalty? (Score 1) 1746

In most cases it would dependent on the circumstances and whether the donation could be seen as compromising the figurehead's ability to lead. For example, the CEO of Chik-Fil-A will, most likely, be perfectly able to contribute to campaign against pornography, against religious freedom for non-Christians and against abortion without compromising his ability to lead, however, social conservatives would likely force him out for taking a stand on the opposite side of those issues (if they could, of course, I'm not sure how much ownership the CEO has). In this case, Eich donated money to a campaign whose sole purpose was to strip some people (including a number of the people working for him) of their rights, and it temporarily succeeded. That has to create some bad blood between him and the affected employees and that type of antagonism is not something to be taken lightly. Having done so and then having refused to recant his position, Eich had compromised his ability to lead and either they were going to go or he was going to go.

As I said, if he had been able to apologise and admit he had done something wrong, he likely would have been able to maintain the position, but if you can't publicly acknowledge that treating some of your co-workers as people deserving of fewer rights than yourself was a mistake, you aren't going to be able to lead them.

Comment Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1746

It wasn't just his political activism from 5 years ago that was the problem. If he had disavowed that behaviour, apologized to his employees and make an act on contrition (such as donating a significant amount of money to a pro-gay marriage organization or campaign) they could have buried the hatchet. However, apparently he still does not believe that his gay employees should be fully equal to the heterosexual ones. Effectively, he chose to step down rather than admit he was wrong.

Comment Re:I think this is bullshit (Score 1) 1746

Besides, if there really is supposed to be a "wall of separation" between church and state, why do we have a secular government recognizing a primarily religious ceremony? Not to mention that's the reason why most people oppose it.

You have it backwards, it's a religious ceremony around the secular activity of signing your marriage certificate. The religious ceremony has no legal standing if you don't sign the government's paper. Next you'll be telling us that only proper Christians should be allowed be married and that athiests, agnostics and those who worship the wrong god should also be excluded from marraige.

Comment Re:I think this is bullshit (Score 1) 1746

There was a Constitutional amendment passed in the state that banned gay marriage, but somehow the courts decided that the amendment was unconstitutional!

This is very simple, the amendment conflicted with a part of the constitution that wasn't amended, thus the amendment was determined to be improper and tossed out. It's actually the job of the courts to do that type of thing, though it would happen less often if politicans wrote fewer stupid laws.

Comment Re:I think this is bullshit (Score 2) 1746

Brendan Eich made a personal comment that was not representative of the views of the entire office at Mozilla.

Actually, he donated money to a campaign to strip some of his employees of the rights they had been granted by the state of California. That campaign temporarily succeed, those employees have a really good reason to oppose him. Additionally, he was put in a position where his personal views would likely be material to his performance of the office because he would be making the decision on whether his gay and lesbian employees would be treated the same as his straight employees and he is on record as opposing that equality. He has claimed he would not act on that belief in his position, instead of renouncing the view entirely so many people are (rightfully) skeptical that he would keep his personal prejudices separate from his professional decisions.

It is important to note that we did not hear any complaints about his prejudice until he was put in a position where his prejudice could materially affect the lives of his fellow Mozilla empoyees. It seems like many of the Mozilla employees were concerned not that he was a bigot but that we has a bigot who was put in a position to act on his bigotry (by design or by inconsideration).

Would it have been morally right if Brendan Eich stated in his departure speech that the 'net in general, as well as all non-LGBT persons should boycott OKCupid as a dating site due to their anti-free speech and pro-gay agenda?

Morally right? No, but that's because Eich's bigotry is morally wrong and the claim that OKCupid is anti-free speech would be a lie. He does, however, have the right to make such statements.

Comment Re:I think this is bullshit (Score 1) 1746

If I had my way instead of recognizing same-sex marriages I would rather the government exit completely out of the marriage business altogether and no longer ask it on tax forms, etc...

I keep seeing people say that the government should get out of the marriage business, but it seems like Religions should get out of the marriage business. Religions should be in the ceremony business, not the marriage business. Which is good because that's how things generally are. Too many people don't seem to understand that the religious ceremony is intended to make the signing of a piece of paper in front of two witnesses feel special. However, the marriage licence is provided by the state and is the same no matter what religion (if any) you subscribe to. That's not a bad thing, but too many people are making the mistake of confusing the ceremony with the actual marriage. For simplicity's sake being married in front of god conveys no legal status at all until you sign the government provided piece of paper.

The reason the government is involved and should remain so, is because there are significant and important legal implications to marriage. Beyond tax implications, there are legal issues such as inheretance (particularly important if the home is not in name of both partners), end-of-life care, hospital visitations, prison access, health benefit access, and the list goes on and on. Adn that's before we get to any provisions that are supposed to provide assitance to those raising children.

It seems strange to me that someone unmarried and living together is treated differently than someone who is married and living together or is treated differently than a brother and a sister who are living together.

Actually, people who are unmarried and living together may be treated the same as someone who is married and living together (it's called common-law), though I doubt you could claim a common law status with your brother or sister, but that's because you are assumed to not be in stable long term exclusive relationship.

Comment Re:I think this is bullshit (Score 1) 1746

In which case the board made a decision that his views were counter-productive to the organization and they did what they had to. I'd prefer to think that he had the wisdom to see that his political history was damaging to the foundation, that he was foolish enough to require the board to force him out. Of course, there were other options he could have engaged in, he could have apologized, recanted his views and made a gesture of reconciliation (like publicly donating money to a pro-gay-marriage campaign). However, while I haven't been following the story too closely, it appears he tried to take the "I won't let my prejudices influence how I deal with my should-be-less-than-equal underlings" approach, which he couldn't pull off.

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

I am not going to waste my time getting links for you when all you have to do is refuse to accept it for no apparent reason.

No apparent reason? Are you daft? Your primary evidence that blacklisting is happening is a handful of people complaining that it is not.

I need to have something from you that says you'll accept evidence if it meets certain standards.

It seems you have some sort of problem with actually reading and understanding what other people write.

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

In regards to evidence, what evidence would you accept?

First some real actual evidence of what you claim to be true, would be nice. Posting a let me Google that for you which doesn't even point to what you claim is simply foolish.

I've had similar discussions with people on different topics... one says something the other doesn't like... the One provides evidence then the other dismisses the evidence...

If this is the quality of the "evidence" that you normally present, it's no wonder you are routinely dismissed.

Here's a hint: you're wating my time, kid. Come back when you have something definitive.

YOU cannot have a rational discussion unless you have a criteria for accepting evidence. What evidence would YOU accept?

How about some actual evidence of a systematic blacklisting process? Leaks that show the censorship is going on, perhaps? Like the one from Fox News that says doubt must always be cast on climate change?

How about a credible list of people who have blacklisted from the media, science conferences, and journals? I'm only aware of the rules actually being bent or broken to publish matierial critical of climate change and no actual verified instances where the reverse happened. Every time I've seen that claim leveled by "climate skeptics" after a little digging it seems to turn out that either a) nothing was ever submitted in the first place apparently because the submitter determined it wouldn't be accepted anyway and decided not to submit at all (thus a self-fulfilling prophecy) or b) it was rejected because it failed peer review because of significant methodological errors and the author refused to make revisions.

Additionally, if there are scientific papers or authors who are being blacklisted, you'd think it would be easy enough to gather and post the papers online for all to see. We have this thing called the internet where anyone can host their own web site. However, we never see the blacklisted papers merely the claim from the advocats for the supposedly oppressed claiming that it's happening and it's big.

You cannot have a rational discussion on this topic without any actual evidence. What evidence could you produce?

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

You wrote:

There has been a concerted effort lately to shut out "deniers" from all such discussions. They are being blacklisted from media. Blacklisted from science conferences. Blacklisted in science journals.

The evidence is Apple CEO Tim Cook telling a libertarian to pull his head out his ass? Or Neil Degrasse Tyson saying anti-science loons shouldn't be given equal weight with scientists? Or are the comments of an unnamed CNN correspondent evidence of this conspiracy to shut out climate change deniers? Maybe it's the letter to the editor? Is Elizabeth Black from Boulder, Colerado the secret illumanity leader who's perpetuating this pro-climate change blackball campaign?

You should just be embarrassed with yourself.

Right back at you.

As to charlatans, obviously they shouldn't be given time.

I'm glad we agree on something.

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