and I will not accept this pathetic attempt to change the subject as the issue.
Pardon me for being blunt, but YOU were the one who changed the subject. My point was originally (and as evidenced by this thread itself):
Honestly, if you attempt to justify religion on anything resembling logic you lose.
Refutal: Pascal's wager exists [...] and worthwhile debate whether "faith can be a logical construct" can stem out of it.
Then you replied by saying:
Pascal's Wager has been completely destroyed in many, many different ways.
Which was basically an attack on JUST a sub-argument -- but do note that in fact I conceded FROM THE VERY START that there are objections, and THEN there are objections to the objections (read my first post again if you dare). Hence I linked you to defenses in the form of revisions to the wager, which proves that it's NOT dead yet. But then now you're arguing (and I quote):
You make some half-assed claims about the nature or definition of the wager, saying it's just 'faith' regardless of the language Pascal himself used,
So now you want me to stick to the original Pascal wager alone, despite the fact that I already gave you the on-going studies that continue the argument by extending it? (And conveniently so, because it wins you a pissing match by attacking the straw man?)
'There is a debate' is not an argument.
Yes it is. Remember the original claim I refuted: "Honestly, if you attempt to justify religion on anything resembling logic, you lose." In this case, showing that there is a debate on this subject with no declared "losers" is a valid refutal, and showing that the debate is indeed going on in scholarly journals is proof to support that refutal. All you did is to show a non-peer-reviewed personal vlog on the matter and then claim that religion has irrevocably lost, while it has not addressed the said revisions to the wager.
If you can't defend the wager, say so and stop wasting my time.
If you can't argue with my original point (hint: not the wager itself, if it is still not so absolutely clear to your shortcut-taking mind), say so and stop wasting my time.