But you're taking one thing out of context. They have many flaws besides being anti nuclear, nor did I claim that not being perfect was a disqualifier of anything.

Qutie frankly they disqualified themselves from the conversation decades ago. Alarmists are always willing to throw Skeptics under the bus for the slightest mistake or undisclosed conflict, yet they make excuses when an organization like Greenpeace damages a world treasure or flat rejects a proven, sustainable, dense power source. They specifically are cowards unwilling to actually fight for their beliefs, preferring instead the power of regulation and to skulk around dragging banners across ancient archeological sites.

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How so?

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This is true; thank you for that link.

(And if it wasn't something that didn't represent the beliefs of most Alarmists, how come I never see Alarmists calling out such trash and apologizing for it when it happens? Skeptics sure seem to have to apologize for every nutter who doesn't believe in AGW.)

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With all due respect, Greenpeace has its own issues. They damage one-of-a-kind national treasures (the Nazca lines), and are against the single biggest and best carbon-free energy source we've got (unclear).

Don't reckon listening to Greenpeace is high on the list, thanks.

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We can do it guys!

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I for one would welcome our dinosaur overlords.

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You know, if that were all Alarmists wanted to do I'd support that totally. Heck I do support that already--I am 100% solar powered and 100% off-grid already.

But that's not where so many Alarmists stop. They want to ban beef because cows make methane. They want to force me to buy light bulbs that cost 10X as much as the ones I had because they use less energy (mox nix in my case since it's my power, but I use LEDs because it's my power). They want me to install showers that are even more low flow than the ones I have now, and it's been seriously proposed that I have to get rid of flush toilets completely in favor of stinky "dry toilets". Some of them want to ban the internal combustion engine, stop flying for pleasure (doesn't apply to their folks of course), cease cruise ships for the same reason, tear up roads in favor of bike paths everywhere.

Yeah. If they stopped at the power thing I'd be with them 100%. Go beyond that and they just get dismissed as seeking power over me. That may or may not be fair, but that's how it comes across.

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The Alarmists hate it when you throw their own predictions back at them!

(I liked it mind you. Good list.)

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That's a pretty dark view sir....."all they care about is how much they can make and how much power they have..."

As I recall the various statements Alarmists have made from Mann to Anan it's the AGW believers who have proposed throwing Skeptics into jail, fining them, firing them, etc. That sounds more like the power thing you're alluding to. Perhaps you're looking at the wrong group for where those who crave power over others reside.

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Now I don't care who you are that's funny.

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I don't think calling out the design is exactly fair when compared to modern standards. We've learned a lot since then.

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This is untrue. My alma mater was the University of Missouri at Rolla (big tech school in Missouri) and it was a year before I realized that the tiny little building just off the library was an actual working nuclear reactor. Unless it's been relocated/moved it was about the size of two trailers more or less (though of concrete block construction) and I think three stories in all.

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It seems to me that Fukushima didn't have a design problem as much as it had a bad siting problem.

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I know of no right winger--or any winger for that matter--who wants what you seem to think. And I pretty much go to all the meetings too.

I do know of a bunch of hardcore leftists who make up strawmans like that though.

Guess where I think you are?

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I loved my swamp cooler when I lived down in the flatter areas of Colorado...that sucker was cold.

Now I'm up at some altitude and in an ICF house, so my walls are very thick and I haven't felt the need for anything other than a couple of fans. Good construction of the house can very much make a difference, if that's an option (i.e. you're building from scratch).

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