Comment Re:He answered the most boring questions! (Score 1) 187
Sorry? We're talking about Debian Jessie here.
Sorry? We're talking about Debian Jessie here.
Update to a recent Gnome and it will bellyache about logind, that in turn is part of system[d]. End result, what used to be a desktop that can run on top of any init requires a specific init.
Or install consolekit2, or systemd-shim.
I am also aware that doing so doesn't remove the dependencies on the libraries
Why do you care? The only reason that library exists is to make sure that systemd is not a required package.
Or are you simply alergic to the d,e,m,s,t and y?
I am also aware [...]that the systemd team is hard at work removing even that option.
Oh, you are an insane person, so sorry, I thought for a moment it was worth talking to you.
You should try looking at the other pages, there's more than one there.
Hahaha. I guess you've never seen a busy mailing list.
Meanwhile, if you think Jessie doesn't use systemd, you clearly haven't been paying attention to that either.
And if you don't know that systemd is optional in Jessie then you clearly haven't been paying attention.
I'll bite.
I'm a professional sysadmin. Scope is important so we'll go by cores. The total number that I admin and/or work directly with total over 100,000. I work very closely with a lot of cutting edge technology. [FQ]DR IB, distributed fs in or near the range of petabytes, openstack, clusterware. We do this to run systems geared towards bioinformatics, CFD, CAE, etc. I can't speak for everyone but if I included a few colleagues I work with closely, the number of systems grow astronomically as they may have detailed knowledge of much bigger systems than I do. None of these systems will touch systemd with a 10ft pole.
Why?
Sending patches to fix what?
Who the fuck knows, the whiners are unable to say exactly what they want, or why.
Rember that clown that claimed he nearly destroyed the laptop his business depended on in order to remove libsystemd, a library that largely consists of:
if (init is systemd) {
do something;
}
else {
noop;
}
Morons.
Who believes in exponential growth? Singularity freaks and economists.
Idiots in other words.
No, he's complaining that if he wants to use a modern linux distro, he gets all of those components replaced by their systemd equivalents. A few of them he can likely put back, but many are mandatory and cannot be removed (journald, for example)..
Funny, you claim "but many are mandatory" then cite one component.
Cite another, please, one is not many.
P.S. So, you don't like binary logging. Why not write a version of journald that uses text logs? Should be easy, the interfaces between journald and the rest of the system are fully documented.
I would have asked if there will ever be a interface thats easy enough for non techs to use as a desktop.. we have been waiting for this for 2 decades and we have watched Apple reuse Unix and make it easy
This is so bizzare. Slashdot is obviously broken, your post says "by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 01, 2015 @08:00PM (#50027053)" but that can't be right.
One of my reasons for picking Linux over Windows was a boot process consisting of simple easy to understand shell scripts.
They you'd best stay away from sysvinit which has everything except "simple easy to understand shell scripts".
"I have to say, I don't really get the hatred of systemd. I think it improves a lot on the state of init"
He answered it. What the fuck is with you people?
It's like saying, "At least they're trying." Not exactly a positive endorsement on the quality of the systemd code.
I'm sorry? When you see "I think it improves a lot on the state of init" you read "At least they're trying."?
Maybe you need new glasses.
No, that's exactly the interest of his example.
So you're saying all those messages I get from the mailing list are a hallucination?
All those messages?
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/dng.en.html
Yeah, that's a load of messages.
Not.
And, by the way, could someone please explain what Devuan is trying to do? I've heard they want to make a Debian distribution that doesn't use systemd. But that already exists, it's called Debian Jessie.
The people who are most against systemd are the serious, professional, often long-time Linux system administrators who have to provision and maintain production Linux systems.
Says the anonymous coward.
Balls.
Every single claim pretending to be from "serious, professional, often long-time Linux system administrators" has turned out to be a joke.
People who claim to have thousands of VMs running mongoDB who are unable to debug a 300 line init script,
People who claim to have huge problems but have never made a bug report.
People who claim that they have made a bug report but some evil person made it disappear, but are unable to provide any proof.
People who claim that they've moved en-masse to FreeBSD because they don't like monolithic systems, but appear to know nothing about FreeBSD.
People who are all Anonymous Cowards.
People who never engage with anyone who will try to fix their problems.
Because there are no such people. They are all simple trolls.
Personaly I find the best tactic is to not do what my enemies want me to do.
Software production is assumed to be a line function, but it is run like a staff function. -- Paul Licker
