Comment Re:Something is broken (Score 1) 71
Just be thankful that today's headline doesn't have typos in it!
Just be thankful that today's headline doesn't have typos in it!
I fail to see the correlation between dropping XMPP support and standalone clients being more efficient. There's plenty of standalone clients for XMPP, and there have been for many years.
It takes N hours to develop and test a solution on platform X.
Not if you rely on cross-platform components and libraries. I develop and test on linux, but all my servers are BSD. I've never had any issues due to them being different platforms. Just make sure you don't use anything OS-specific and you'll be fine.
Anyway, you've got to love the message from Google: Use social networks, you're giving a third party the ability to kill your online presence and the identity that you use for communicating with your friends on a whim!
It's not the first time they send out this message. Didn't you hear about them dropping gtalk, and with it, XMPP support?
Also, we refuse to install on anything but Linux.
I understand why you would no work with windows, but why be so extreme as Linux-only?
Not really. People that seldom use Office won't really have adapted in that period of time, because it's the only app out there that uses it.
For example, I've deal with ribbon once or twice during this time, but use menubars on a daily basis.
The problem is that, while ribbon is more intuitive, it has no room for advanced and experienced users to get faster. They'll use the UI at the same speed after years, because there that's all there is to it. Menubars have greater learning curve, but have more room to keep on learning and becoming more efficient.
Office with no ribbon?
https://www.libreoffice.org/
By "full", I mean that it can do DNS. Windows not supporting RDNSS doesn't mean that you have to set the server manually; you can set it automatically.
Yes, full. Only on limited scenarios (not the most common ones, BTW).
I'm not really a fan of RDNSS; it puts host config into RAs with no clear guidelines as to which config options ought to be in them. (Why do we only put DNS info in there, and not all the other things you can configure?)
These are all the usual network settings. Sure, there's edge cases, but the idea is to cover the basics.
But I'm not arguing that MS shouldn't support it, I'm just pointing out that Windows isn't so incapable that it has no way of setting DNS servers automatically.
(As an aside, Windows will also configure a default set of DNS servers if you have no other v6 servers configured, so if you're doing a v6-only network and you really don't want to run stateless DHCPv6 for some reason and the only thing you wanted to set was the DNS servers, you could just add fec0:0:0:ffff::{1,2,3} to your DNS server and Windows would work fine.)
That's a microsoft-only made-up standard. Not only that, but using that address space was deprecated in 2004, so implementeing is actually incompliant.
It's based on a browser. I'm guessing their content source will be what we call "The Internet". Millons of videos ready to watch.
Uhm... 64bit firefox has been around for over half a decade. Wake up, dude!
Contact syncing? (eg: CardDav). That's been on their plate for years, and it's a pretty important feature nowadays that we have stuff like smartphone which we want to keep in sync.
There's a few other critical features/issues still open which never got the attention they deserved.
The linux proyect does not distribute any GNU code. Third parties create "GNU/Linux" distrinutions, and some of them mention GNU intheir name (eg: Debian GNU/Linux).
[...] because RAs are broadcasts sent by routers (plural, potentially) to announce network layout.
So? dns is a common part of modern network infrastructure. It's also possible you want to have devices use a dns according to which router they use (potentially, because the dns server may be on the other side of the router). Again, if they think dns in RA is bad design, it's still a common standard, it's not up to them to say "screw you" to those users.
That doesn't match up with the requirements for host config parameters, where you need a single authoritative source and you need the ability to receive machine IDs from clients so you can give out per-machine config settings.
A requirement that you just made up? A network can function properly with different hosts using different dns servers, there's no requirement to use the same.
Sure, RA doesn't have support for "per-machine config settings", but this is only something corporate environments need (and they can use dhcpv6). That just justifies the usage of dhcpv6 in those scenarios. It doesn't justify discarting RA completely for every user.
(Of course we haven't really stuck with that logic, since people argued that they didn't want to run dhcpv6 just for dns, so dns info was added to RAs. Then other people argued they didn't want to run dhcpv6 just for dns search domains, so that was added too. Where does it stop, I wonder...)
dns search domain are part of the network layout (just higher layer that IP/gateway). It makes perfect sense to include it into a single protocol that advertises network layout.
Again, none of these arguments justify not supporting RA. And saying that windows "fully supports IPv6" is mistaken, it only supports a certain network configuration. Not the most popular one by the way.
You also said they can't transition to v6 because their own OS doesn't support it, which isn't true. It's supported full automatic configuration of v6 network details out of the box since Vista in 2006, which is a lot longer than most Linux distros have been doing it.
"full automatic configuration of v6 network details". The word "full" is quite relative here. It only works on a single specific (and very uncommon) scenario where you have dhcpv6
I believe Debian only started doing that last year, and I'd be unsurprised if there were still major distros that didn't.
We were not discussing Linux nor debian. That's completely out-of-topic and irrelevant.
I wish I could find the discussions they must have had at the time about RAs... I assumed there would be mailing list archives or somesuch but I haven't managed to find anything. I guess the logic was that dns info (or other host config) doesn't belong in RAs
That's they opinion. The standard differs. Both the written standard, and common real life scenarios.
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