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Comment Re:Cultural differences (Score 1) 266

I think our priorities are a bit different. I don't really see stocks and property as an end in and of themselves.

Don't put words in my mouth. Although as it turns out you might want to look into where pension funds put their money.

Also, people with nothing to do tend to have kids, and that is definitely something the system couldn't afford, so there would need to be measures to prevent that (if having kids doesn't cost you a lot, you'll tend to have them).

Great, so phase two of your economic masterplan is to make sure the system bankrupts itself within a generation. Hint: people are producers as well as consumers.

Comment Re:Cultural differences (Score 1) 266

Have you run the numbers on that basic income idea? Just back of the envelope here, but take the US - 300 million population, give them $200 a week each, that's a cool $3 trillion dollars per annum, which is equivalent to the entire federal tax revenue in 2014. So, you're going to double all taxes to pay for this? Okay so let's cut out all those too young or old enough to already be on a state pension, as well as those who really don't need an extra ten grand a year (which in some places is nowhere near liveable), let's cut it down to 100 million people. That's a trillion dollars per year.

And this is before you start to consider the inflationary effects of pumping that much money into the economy, regardless of how recycled it is - most of that will be going to poor people who will mix it straight back into the liquid economy, taken from the mid to high level wealthy who tend to invest in property and stocks instead.

Basic income is not a workable idea, but fortunately we have social welfare nets that do approximately the same thing for people who actually need it.

Comment Re:Icehouse Earth (Score 1) 637

Get a globe. Really.

Really. Really? Really now. So when a large landmass warms up by more than enough to melt quite a large proportion of its copious freshwater ice coverage and dumps that into the north Atlantic, it's not going to have any effect on the rest of the world?

I'm done. Find someone else to tie your shoelaces, simpleton.

Comment Re:You mean the Fat Naked Women Photoalbum (Score 4, Insightful) 43

I can read both the AC's comment and yours just fine, because I browse at -1. Slashdot is one of the very few remaining sites that practices almost zero censorship, unless forced to by legal action, for which I'm grateful.

In response to the point being made, I believe morbid obesity should certainly not be celebrated or pedestalised, but neither should it be mocked for its own sake. Suggesting it's a good or healthy way to go through life however is putting lives at risk in no uncertain terms.

Comment Re:Icehouse Earth (Score 1) 637

The section you're tellingly not quoting is as follows:

The rate of temperature change during the recovery phase from the last glacial maximum provides a benchmark against which to assess warming rates in the late 20th century. Available data indicate an average warming rate of about 2C/millennium between about 20 and 10 ky BP in Greenland, with lower rates for other regions. Speleothem data from New Zealand, and positions of mountain glacier moraine termini suggest warming rates of 2C/millennium from 15 to 13 ky BP (Salinger and McGlone, 1989). Speleothem data for South Africa suggest a warming rate of 1.5C/millennium (Partridge, 1997) over the same time period. On the other hand, very rapid warming at the start of the Bölling-Alleröd period, or at the end of the Younger Dryas may have occurred at rates as large as 10C/50 years for a significant part of the Northern Hemisphere.

Emphasis mine. When temperatures spike up by twenty two degrees and then down by twenty degrees, on average there's been a two degree change in temperature over the period, which is what you appear to imagine happened in a smooth gradient over the last twenty thousand years. They were even nice enough to break it into different eras for you - note for example that the disastrous Dryas stadials all occurred within the cited ten thousand year average temperature change.

That this needs to be explained gives me the sads.

The last 150 years haven't been a period of unique climatological equilibrium, they've been part of a warming process that's been jumping and stuttering along for the past twenty millennia, following in the footsteps of other warming periods which are followed by cooling periods, all of which had exactly zero to do with humanity.

I hope I don't need to explain the implications of this observation, especially vis the scientific validity of comparisons being made between barely a century of intense observations and ten thousand years of evidence being averaged out.

Comment Re:Icehouse Earth (Score 1) 637

They lost, but you sure as hell didn't win.

If you say so.

I'm unsure how to respond to it.

Yes I appreciate these might be difficult questions to answer,

This is nonsense. The glacial/interglacial oscillation of the current ice age is quite stable.

Ahahaha did you even bother to read the linked text? That zipping noise was your credibility exiting stage left. You're a moron.

It's funny that you make it political. Your colors are showing :)

Spoken like a true with us or against us dyed in the wool partisan leftist.

I'm no leftist.

So you lack self awareness on top of everything else.

Both leftists and conservatives should call you what you are- A person who thinks only in partisanship.

I'm not the one peddling partisan politics here friend.

I don't care who Big Oil votes for today.

Yeah you do. Your previous comments clearly indicate that you do. I'm sure the children of future generations will have choice words for you, not that you'll be around to hear them. Which is of course your severance clause.

Comment Re:Icehouse Earth (Score 1) 637

I think that makes your paragraph entirely circuitous.

Give that a little thought.

If we seek to alter its ecosphere uncontrolled, then we most certainly are an infection.

By that bizarre logic the earth itself is an infection.

If we seek equilibrium and stability, we're not.

Given that the earth has never had a stable climate, your notions are entirely alien to nature itself.

I refer to any of the people who are not included in the group of people who believe that we should pull every fucking ounce of carbon sequestered in the dirt and inject it wholesale into the extant cycle.

No, you refer to watermelons, the leftist interpretation of environmentalism - which has very firm roots among the monied classes of the 19th century, to say nothing of conservationism whose earliest manifestations can be tracked back a full thousand years earlier. Much like social welfare systems and every other ostensible social good Marxists have latched onto since Karl hoisted the first of many, many alcoholic beverages, this stuff has been around for a very long time.

You'd think you people would learn, I mean Russia has wound up somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan and China's busily returning to its imperial roots, complete with caste system. What you do is create reactions which eventually end up consuming any gains you might have made, a process which will inevitably end up being replicated even in the enlightened and much reviled (by the left) west.

Leftists believe me to be a conservative reationary, conservatives call me a progressive swine, I'm quite content to watch all of you idiots get hoisted by your own petards.

Have a good un.

Comment Re:Icehouse Earth (Score 1) 637

Poppycock.

Dry fact sadly. The reality is that the information I linked to above comes as a major shock to many anthropogenic global warming proponents when it should already be widely known, one fellow I was discussing it with lately proudly declared that we're going through the quickest global warming in 45 million years while earnestly claiming the imprimatur of science. Ask yourself why that might be the case.

For human civilization, we may look back on it and find it to be not very placid at all.

The problem is people who regard this notion as a good thing and refer to human civilisation as an infection.

Yes, they are. Only by our efforts. You point to our success as evidence that we should stop? Like it won't flip? There's still a *lot* of coal left.

Who do you refer to when you say "our"?

Comment Re:Icehouse Earth (Score 1) 637

The problem is that the only current traumatic event the planet seems to be going through at the moment to cause this particular geologically rapid climate shift is an acute infection of industrialized ostrich-human hybrid civilization.

Your weak link here is the assumption that science is in any way clear about what caused relatively recent drastic climate adjustments. Which leads us inevitably to the conclusion that we can't really go making any definitive statements about the comparitively placid warming we're currently experiencing.

It's much ado about not a whole lot anyway, fossil fuels are being scaled back to nothing and will be out of mass usage in a couple of generations, and no economies need be wrecked in the process either.

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