I agree with you, but if someone says "I can see the moons of Saturn during the day with my naked eye," I can't really do much about it. If that same person said they had mathematical evidence that proved he could see Saturn with his naked eye, I don't think I'm out of line for asking to see that data. That's my beef here: people are ragging on audiophiles and the like for believing in black magic without any data to back it up, but many of the people here who complain about those audiophiles clearly don't know what they're talking about, either. I just find it odd that someone who says, "you can use math to prove that there's no perceivable difference in a 128kb MP3 and a 320kb MP3" is considered insightful, but when a guy who has a genuine interest in home audio asks to see that math, he's a troll.