He wasn't saying you need 'civil war' to bring socialism to a country.

He was explaining that socialist means always involve using police force to achieve their ends, given that they're not voluntary.

Worse, how many mortgages to they 'own' now through fanny and freddy? (they? us? me? who owns this nasty shit and is on the hook for it?)

Worse still, the fed controls interest rates.

We're so far removed from a free market it ain't even funny. Why was there a 2008 crash? Why do we keep seeing bubbles? Why haven't we recovered yet? Why was 1999 a bubble? What's the next bubble? Who's buying bonds? Why aren't unfunded liabilities listed as government debt? How much do unborn children owe? How long till the dollar collapses?

There are some voluntary interactions, but it ain't no free market.

Cue young earth creationists claiming this dinosaur was intelligently designed 5000 years ago.

Sigh.

Give me pogo sticks and super shoes.

Make me a set of oscar pistorious legs and some type of new car suspension.

Hahaha, does that happen often?

You think they're going to come up with 1600M euro in June? LO to the L.

Russia can't afford to help them with this payment, Greece is dead broke and Goldman Sachs who helped Greece lie about their books to get into the eurozone in the first place is long gone.

I have spent more than a few hours thinking and reading on the subject and so I will attempt to answer your questions. Apologies if they're not great answers. Hey, at least they're honest and a little better than the highly moderated comments here.

I wouldn't say it's good or bad. I think walmart has both good and bad aspects.

• good: it seems to be efficiently run
• bad: it treats it's workers badly by playing a min/max hours game to ensure they don't have to pay benefits
• good: prices can be low for the customers
• bad: it trains and ensures it's workers are making government claims for every welfare state benefit available
• good: it generates lots of profit because it serves the consumer very well.
• bad: they bribe and pressure local governments for subsidies and unfair tax breaks so they can out-compete mom & pop stores

A: it doesn't help you at all. The entire tax system is immoral. Although, I think they purposefully keep them as part-time employees (by government classifications) in order to qualify for these subsidies.

Consumption never 'helps' the economy. The economy is more than just passing money from hand to hand in exchange for consumer goods. Only the voluntary actions of individuals cooperating via a free market price system 'helps' the economy.

Don't forget all of the politicians that greased their hands making deals with all the billionaires on Forbe's list. Unfortunately it's the nature of human kind that as soon as one comes into power, the average human tends to wield it to their own advantage, especially power over others obtained by coercion and violence, hence 'government'.

Here are a few more discussions, thoughts:

Minimum Wage Argument Destroyed!

The True Cost of the Minimum Wage

Jon Stewart, The Daily Show, Peter Schiff and the War over Minimum Wage

And the best resource of them all Mises Media

I'm starting to think that it's by design because every misconception is in favor of 'government' and people being ruled by force.

Watch Tom Woods dispel these myths

and one more

Because they're always going to make exceptions for themselves and their cronies, and use the rules to stick it to everyone else, while loudly decrying that they speak *for* us.....

It tasted like shit and my hand prints looked just like any other and what was the use if it anyway? Face-book? Hand-wall motherfucker. In fact we had a game we called facesmash but that was more just smashing peoples faces with sticks.
But we liked it and we didn't complain.

Oh I see, so you've resorted to the "if you don't agree with me get the fuck out of the country".

Hahaha, very mature.

Her interaction with the company and by extension the CEO was completely voluntary. She chose to interview there, negotiated a salary, chose to accept the job, chose to come to work and get paid for her time and could leave the job whenever she wanted.

What she didn't choose, was the hefty piece of her paycheck that the union stole from her. That was not voluntary.
Did the union provide a service she wanted? No. Did they pay for her school? no. Did they negotiate a better salary for her? No.

Unions are thieves and parasites who steal your money and then lord over you, pretending that they speak for you.

How many of your financial relations with corporations are voluntary on your part? (and for the ones that aren't, could it possibly be due to a government-granted monopoly?)

I'll go first:

• None of my financial relations with any government entity are voluntary, they are all coerced. One of us is benefiting on the deal and the other one has no choice and is getting fucked.
• Almost all of my financial relations with corporations are voluntary. Both of us agree to the deal and we do so because both of us expect to be better off after the exchange.

Case closed.