That fact that they need to put a multi page FAQ on their website to explain how to create a login account without a credit card number is telling enough.
You do understand that you don't have to make an account in order to use iTunes?
I thought we were talking about Suppliers shipping bloatware with their *products*... iTunes is REQUIRED if you use you iPod with a PC.
You thought wrong. It is a comparison between what is on an Apple computer when you pull it out of the box vs what is on a Windows computer (of various brands) when you pull it out of the box.
As has been stated previously, iTunes on Windows is an Apples to Oranges comparison. This is the same as complaining that in order to use a Zune on a Mac, you have to install additional software (albeit most likely a better experience than iTunes on Windows)
Yeah, you're right... They are completely incomparable! iTunes is 100000 times worse than anything that comes with Windows. Just having the iTunes/iPos service running (application closed) means your computer uses up about 75% of your available resources.
FFS, the comparison is between Apple supplied software on a new Apple computer vs 3rd party bloatware supplied on a new windows computer.
It is not about how bad Apple sucks at writing Windows software. And don't even start with the forced Safari install with iTunes on Windows.
So how many times did iTunes ask you for your credit card number?
Once. But is not required to hand one over. You only need to do so if you want to purchase things from the iTunes store.
Ok, then how about getting a Mac without iTunes?
And now you have crossed the border into Scotland
Apple did a lazy port of iTunes to PC so that people could use their iPods. It sucked because they didn't put much effort into it. Possibly on purpose.
And it may still suck from what I have seen*. But kinda irrelevant to Apple not shipping bloatware on their own computers.
The sucking may be due to a lot of reasons such as Apple not having decent windows programmers, or trying to shoe-horn one set of source code into two different environments. I don't see them doing on purpose.
but I imagine they're even more into the sell more media side, as opposed to a simple and functional media player.
Like with Microsoft Windows, you can consider all the useless features they add to the system that are basically for marketing purposes, as bloatware.
Hardly a direct comparison. Apple has none of the the 3rd party crap pushed on windows that is free trials, upgrades or advertising.
My use of iTunes is to play local media, and free podcasts that I download (from the iTunes store). That is front and center for me and I am never pushed into buying media by Apples advertising dominating my user experience.
I remember they included Safari by default when you tried to install iTunes on Windows.
Which was when? Your initial statement implied current practices.
Except that you can't fix and replace shit on your own if your decoratory Apple laptop breaks.
Which refutes my statement how?
Have you ever tried using iTunes (to sync your iPod) on a PC?
Thats an Apples to Oranges comparison. I was talking about what Apples ships on a new computer.
But no, I haven't.
Too bad that fruit company has among its practice of bundling bloatware along its software users want to install.
What do you consider is Apple's bloatware? All I see are Apple written, basic applications that are complete in and amongst themselves. No free trials, no upgrades, no advertising.
We all win with at least a single computer maker stopping the insane practice of selling their customers instead of selling TO their customers.
That's one thing you can already say about Apple's computers - no bloatware.
I wouldn't be complaining if that was the case, would I?
There are 4+ time zones in the US alone (*). Bounce around those a couple of times and you'll wonder why you thought DST was such a big deal.
* Depending on whether you count Puerto Rico, Guam or other US locations in addition to the 50 states.
Let's fix it on Earth fist, and stop fucking with our circadian cycles twice a year!
I take it you never leave the safety of the single time-zone in your mom's basement?
you mean "speed up" mars rotation
Speed up, slow down. Whatever. If I'm writing biorhythm programs for a mobile device, do you really think I car along as I get the ad revenue
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