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Comment Re:Analysis of Miguel's article (Score 1) 747

Attacking Mono forces .NET developers to move to Windows, it doesn't mean an exodus from .NET.

Wrong. Developers programming for Linux are not going to move to Windows to continue programming, they'll switch languages. If they are developing for an OS, then they have a vested interest in continuing to do so. If their preferred language gets taken away from them, they'll just switch languages. And they won't take kindly to Microsoft removing their choice.

Let me ask you this, if somehow programming in C became illegal on/for Linux and the only way to write C would be on/for Windows, would you switch to Windows?

No, you wouldn't. You'd switch languages.

You are also quite disingenuous when you call in the parallels of FAT. Microsoft sued TomTom, not Linux, not even a Linux company, but rather a hardware company that they directly competed with and who threatened Microsoft with patents of their own.

If Microsoft had tried to sue Red Hat or Canonical or Mandriva, you'd have a point. But they didn't, so you don't.

Comment Re:A matter of credibility (Score 1) 747

There most definitely is a logical argument. In a word: patents.

Patents affect every piece of software. So no, that one word is not a logical argument. Try again.

Unlike GNU C, Linux, etc, which either implement published standards or have been OSS from the very beginning

As was Mono. It has always been OSS.

Mono implements and relies on stuff patented by Microsoft.

Just like GNU tools implemented alternatives to software heavily patented by the monopolists at the time (namely companies like AT&T). Every piece of GNU software likely infringes on many patents, from Microsoft and others. You and Richard are living in a fairy land if you believe otherwise. There are millions (billions?) of software patents out there that cover nearly every corner of software algorithms, tricks, and features. It is naive to think that every piece of software on your desktop doesn't infringe on someone's patent somewhere, or at least infringed at some point during their development and use (e.g. if the patent just recently expired).

Patents that Microsoft has shown signs it wants to sell to patent trolls (with an understanding that they'd use those patents to sue). In other words, there's good reason to think MS wants to use Mono as a Trojan Horse to enable lawsuits against OSS organizations such as the FSF, Debian, and Ubuntu.

This is a conspiracy theory if I ever saw one. No proof, just FUD. This does not make a logical argument. This is fear mongering, exactly what Miguel was talking about in his blog.

MS already tried one legal tack to go after OSS, namely the SCO lawsuit.

Again, no proof. Just theory. Remember that "our friend", Sun Microsystems, also bought licenses from SCO at the beginning of the SCO fiasco.

There's no reason to think they wouldn't try another.

There's no reason to think they ever tried. It's what you want to believe in order to justify your foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of Microsoft.

Even if it were proven to be true, past behavior is not proof of future behavior - especially in the business world where the people change, the markets change, etc. All of which have an effect on what a corporation does.

For those who have not bothered with a reality check, Microsoft has been changing their ways with regards to Open Source. They have been releasing huge amounts of code under Free Software licenses which grant patent rights to the recipients (sort of like the GPLv3). People like you don't want to recognize these changes because your fantasy world where Microsoft is black and you are white would come crumbling down around you. You'd be forced to reevaluate your entire existence which you have staked to the idea that Microsoft is Satan.

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Submission + - Mono bashers take things too far on Ubuntu lists (ubuntu.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Mono vs Anti-Mono debate is a lot like Matter vs Anti-Matter and when the two collide, things quickly get out of hand. This time, however, the Anti-Mono crowd took things way too far and tried to get Ubuntu developers fired for their Mono preferences. Clearly the line has been crossed. It is time for the FLOSS community to make amends over this issue and continue forward in a mature and rational fashion.
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Submission + - A Preview/Review on OpenSuSE Studio (neverslair-blog.net)

Oliver Leitner writes: "I just got invited to OpenSuSE Studio last week wednesday, i started to play around with it this friday, and in the past two days learned to like its unique features... I have not seen that application somewhere else yet, allthough i see great potential in having an online way to create livecds, or vmware images. (not just select premade profiles, but add your own files and bootup scripts and such things). i made a little review on the new toy, including some nice screenshots and videos, and thought i might share it with my fellow slashdotters."

Comment Re:Chrome (Score 1) 221

According to the MIX09 talk on Expression Web, it also supports Chrome - I forget if it supports Opera, but I wouldn't doubt it.

A feature the Slashdot summary also forgot to mention was that they made it so that the developer could have it overlay a snapshot of the website as rendered in any browser on a remote host (which can be running Mac or Linux, for example).

So even if they don't support Opera natively, you could use their remote host feature to get what you wanted.

Comment Re:The thing is... (Score 1) 570

Like what features is it lacking? Have you submitted feature requests for the features you think it was lacking? Did you offer to contribute? Did you even email the mailing-lists?

Mono has all of the C# 3.0 features in current releases (2.0, 2.2 and 2.4 (which is about to be released)) and the development branch, 2.5, already has some 4.0 features and Microsoft hasn't even released 4.0 yet and won't until late 2009 or 2010 (by which point Mono 2.6 will have been out for half a year or more).

Comment Re:Worse than worthless (Score 2, Informative) 475

The source code for Moonlight is LGPL (the managed parts we wrote are MIT-X11 while the Silverlight Controls that Microsoft have released fall under MS-PL).

The main thing to do to port Moonlight to BSD is to implement an OSS backend for audio, other than that it should "Just Work" under BSD afaik.

Comment Re:Flash or Silverlight (Score 1) 475

In the "worst-case" (or best-case, depending on whether you like Silverlight or not) scenario, if Silverlight fails, then we (the Moonlight developers) will still have contributed optimization fixes to X and Cairo, bug fixes to Firefox, and written a decent canvas widget for Gtk (although arguably there is always Clutter).

The way I see it, hacking on Moonlight is a win-win for Linux. No matter what, graphics libraries and Firefox are getting better. In addition, if Silverlight does succeed, then at least Linux desktop users will have the ability to view Silverlight content.

While Moonlight is behind /today/ as far as the APIs we are able to provide, once we get 2.0 out the door (sometime in 2009), it should be more-or-less good enough. Developers rarely adopt the latest versions of a platform the instant it is released (plus, once they /do/ adopt it, they need time to develop an application using it), which will give us (the Moonlight devs) some slack in order to allow us to deliver the next version of Moonlight before the equivalent Silverlight version becomes widespread in the wild.

Same thing happens with Flash. Flash 10 has been released, but I doubt you'll find many sites that /require/ Flash 10 for at least a year.

Comment Re:Why Is Porting Needed? (Score 1) 475

The summary of the article is wrong, we have not been working on Moonlight for 2 years. We've only been working on it for 1 year.

Official development didn't start until the end of September 2007. Before that, we had spent 21 days implementing a proof-of-concept back in June 2007 for MIX07 in Paris.

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