The desktop will still be relevant in the workplace for a at least a decade or two if not more

Generally, yes it true, though sometimes the F2P model seems to work. Number one thing a MMO's need is community, even if the game is currently profitable if the players feel there are to few playing (the whole "Massively Multiplayer" aka people to do things with) the game is doomed. Change that impression though and even with what many consider a low amount of players game can run profitably for years (See Ultima online) What many who try the F2P model and still go under rather quickly fail to realize, more people does not equal a community, actually an influx of F2P players can destroy a games existing communities

Oh apple knows people use there phones (and their other products) for other things besides music and photo's...but here is the important thing for any apple product user to remember...,

Apple do not and never will care about business users and their needs/requirements

Any use you get from your apple product for your business is an unintentional side effect, not the result of apple intentionally trying to meet a business users needs

Want to do actual work? Then buy a work tool not an expensive toy/gadget (Little helper...if it's by Apple it's not a work tool...they don't make things like that)

The really important question...will it have a beastiality section/category?

Sure they will but would say it will be about 7 to 10 years before the current api's are completely depreciated...and that in IT is a LONG time

" I am not an expert on OS economics but I think the pushing of win8 is just some haste. It has been less than two years since win7 has become main version of windows on the market. Also I don't think that win8 does provide changes enough to justify a dedicated release"

The rush to bring out Win8 has little to nothing to do with desktop/laptop users or their wants/needs and everything to do with tablets (and to lesser degree touch screens). Just desktop users get to suffer because MS want a common platform/experience across desktop/tablet/phone

For me and a growing amount of people Mozilla has become irrelevant anyway, too much creep and bloat in their core product, Firefox. Combined with a "we know better than you what you want/need" attitude (ala Apple, but getting it wrong more than Apple) .

And in the meantime most of the other browsers have caught up/surpassed them.

We should be always thankful to them for kick starting the web again after MS nearly stagnated it to death but it is time for Mozilla to go away while it still has some respect in the community

"Drawing comparisons to Microsoft's antitrust trial, in which they were accused of giving away Internet Explorer to drive competitors out of the browser market," The difference between the two is MS was using it's dominant position in the OS market to install IE free and by default and "forcing" OEM's to do so, google not only did not have a dominant position in the mobile market, it barely had one at all.

Nobody can afford to be nice anymore. The world has changed.

No it has not changed. World was never as nice as people like to think it was. Men have been attacking, raping and murdering defenseless women since the dawn of time and all other manner of evil went on all the time, none of it is new

Just peoples perceptions have changed, mainly due to the monster called the news media, because that can only make a real living out of bad news and keeping people afraid

Considering 5.0 is mostly just a newer revision of 4.0, how can testing be that hard?

Because for many it not the testing of the actual browser or it's add's that's the issue (though for many others it is) it the testing of all the web apps that the browser interacts with that is the real time eater (and time is money) And that's before we even begin to cost any actual redevelopment costs required

Minor versions upgrades generally are just security bug fixes so forth (same as MS patch Tuesdays), rarely seen a web app affected, testing required is generally minimal for web apps. Major versions can and do change lots, including rendering, testing has to be a lot more detailed

By no longer having update types clearly defined, all updates must now be treated as major, because while 4-5 was minor there are no guarantees 6>7 or 7>8 will be and because they are EOLing the previous version straight away if a major exploit that affects multiple versions is discovered you will have to upgrade straight away or be exposed, because Mozilla will not patch versions that might be only a few months old

So choice for enterprises is simple, have a massive non stop ongoing testing cycle massively boosting the TCO to maintain Firefox compatibility or drop it totally.

To anyone with an ounce of common sense the choice will be obvious

With the glacial pace that new technologies are becoming available in web browsers, webmasters don't bother with new technology

Might be a valid argument, if FF was only browser out there or had a market share like IE did years ago so other browsers did not matter. But neither is the case.

There are two simple facts:

Web dev's generally will not implement some new tech until majority of browsers in use support it, because otherwise they will have to do two or more versions of everything they do (and we got tired of that YEARS ago)

Web dev's who do it for an actual living don't want to to spend all their time learning every single damn new tech that comes out, not only will their boss object to them having so much downtime but they have lives as well.

Anything new is going to spend a lot of time with amateurs, hobbiest's, 'geeks re-inventing the wheel' just to prove it can be done, who are quite happy to have something only working on one browser, before it will have wide scale uptake. So sure implement it, but there is no damn rush to get it out the door because majority of people will not be using those features for a long while

Just because the situation made it easy for Mozilla to push the web into the future once, it needs realize it cannot do it again and if it keeps trying the only likely future for the web will be one without Firefox in it

Honestly i could not care about HTML5 as a user or developer until a standard is agreed and finalized because until it is we are just going back to the bad old days "Optimized for Browser X Version Y" or "You need browser Z to view this site"

And even when it is agreed it will be a few years until anyone would do serious commercial development solely in HTML5 due to slow slow speed people upgrade their browsers

Yes HTML 5 is exciting for the actual browser dev's right now (they have had little to do beyond tweaking js for speeding for last few years), but there is no damn hurry to get it out the door because web dev's themselves are a long way off seriously developing in it for a mass audience

The close copying of chrome has had more than a few of us wondering for a while..."what is the point of firefox?"

That is an even bigger issue than this latest debate

In mine most power users/IT staff have also done the migration or are in the process of doing so.

And been my standard SOP for a while now with personal support (Friends/family so forth) to uninstall FireFox (and delete IE shortcuts) and install chrome instead. Once Ad block for chrome was out there was no good reason not to, it's faster loading than firefox and loads most pages faster too and never had it crash (And Firefox seems to spend more time copying chrome than anything)

Sad really as been with Firefox since before it was Firefox, but honestly these days it seems to suffer from same problem Mozilla did, feature bloat

Stupid move really, everyone seems to be forgetting what made MS so big in the first place, whole scale enterprise adoption and the desire of people to have the same thing at home as they used at work.

Now you have on one hand the No2 in desktop OS's (apple) ignoring the enterprise and now the No2 in the browser market saying the same (and without Apples "cool" factor and marketing budget to help them).

But here is the thing, if you don't provide the enterprise what they want/need, they go to who does, so those users will be once again be using the rival products (aka Microsoft) all day long and when they are at home they will want the exact same damn thing and unlike 5+ years ago MS are once again actually trying to deliver decent standards compliant products again

MS will gain big time from this (they are already talking about dropping FireFox from the default build here due to the new release cycle) and if they are not careful they will just hand MS total domination again, something not even those who make a living out of MS products and technologies want to see

" I dont know anyone who has thrown out their book collection after getting a kindle"

*Raises hand*

Guilty as charged, but then i have a reason, i move around quite a bit (and with a large international move planned within the next 6 months) and not having a book collection (had about 200) has cut down my "stuff" I have to move to basically two suitcases and a laptop

Honestly don't see it being that absurd, a generation is about 20 years, a few is generally somewhere between 3 to 5, so he is talking about "in about a 100 years", which is quite a long time in today’s world. I could honestly see paper book's becoming just something for hobbyist and collectors by then.

It just a natural progression, cave wall to stone > clay > wax > parchment > paper > digital