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Comment Re:Global Warming? (Score 1) 273

the natural carbon cycle deals out no where near the amount of CO2 humans do

What the hell are you talking about? Estimates for natural emissions are around 150 billion tonnes per year. That's thirty times Human emissions.

True.

And that estimate is from the IPCC so it's likely the figures have been carefully massaged down to make Human emissions appear bigger than they are.

Oh dear, you were doing so well until you had to put your conspiracy theorists hat on.

No, you dummy, the estimate isn't "from the IPCC". The IPCC don't deal in estimates. They just report the published science. That's where the estimates of the the size of the carbon cycle come from.

Comment Re:Every week there's a new explanation of the hia (Score 1) 465

The purpose of the climate models is to forecast climate, not short-term events that have no effect on the trend.

You don't know that it has no long-term effects on the trend. ENSO hasn't been understood long enough. THEORETICALLY, it may be true, but it sure as hell isn't proven. Even now it is not well understood... which was part of my point.

The "theory" that says that ENSO has no long term effect is conservation of mass/energy.

I know you guys like to imagine that your vague hand-waving trumps basic science, but that's going a little far, don't you think?

Comment Re:Every week there's a new explanation of the hia (Score 1) 465

ENSO has no long--term effect on climate. ENSO is a short term variation.

THE PURPOSE of models is to do forecasting. So far, no models can accurately project the behavior of ENSO.

The purpose of the climate models is to forecast climate, not short-term events that have no effect on the trend.

ENSO is irrelevant to climate, it's interesting for weather forecasting.

Comment Re:Every week there's a new explanation of the hia (Score 1) 465

If ENSO cannot be predicted to any great degree (it cannot), yet it has a major effect on climate models, and now another effect is found that is claimed to have a far greater effect than ENSO, what then?

ENSO has no long--term effect on climate. ENSO is a short term variation.

(People who obsess about ENSO seem not to have heard of conservation of energy).

Comment Re:Every week there's a new explanation of the hia (Score 1) 465

please link to an example of "sketchy science" that has been proved wrong by more solid, peer-reviewed science.

I know you're just smacking down a troll, but climate models have been over-estimating warming for years, as demonstrated by this science.

From the commentary:

Ultimately the causes of this inconsistency will only be understood after careful comparison of simulated internal
climate variability and climate model forcings with observations from the past two decades

Recent papers have investigated this and found that when either observed ENSO conditions are forced on the model, or model runs are picked whose simulated ENSO matches observed ENSO there is better agreement with observed temperatures.

By the way, the models don't just overestimate warming since 1997ish, they also underestimate it before 1997.

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