Well, that's true, even if releasing it as FOSS and wanting to keep it from leaking out doesn't make much sense. The problem regarding FOSS would actually be if one intended to keep it FOSS (that is, force all derivative works to be FOSS). That would be impossible once the code leaks. The only solution I can think of would be huge penalties for leaking it (making it part of the contract to not leak it, then it would be a breach of contract to do so), but that's analogous to what the entertainment industry does (or intends to do) with those who download the products they release, and it's known to not work.

In theory. In practice, that'd require that those who would possess said child porn would not get bored of the already existing material after some time and produce more, or request that someone produces more. Not to mention that even if it removes the profit motive, there are still other motives for the production of child porn, and for sexually abusing minors.

That is true, but it may not last long. There are plans to vote on whether to outlaw it or not: http://home.kyodo.co.jp/modules/fstStory/index.php?storyid=491446

Obviously, I meant "with the size of the first", and not "with the size of the second".

On Debian sid? KDE 4.4.3? Because that's what I'm using, I just tested it (because I rarely enlarge terminals or open more than one, so I didn't know if what the OP said was true), and the second terminal opens with the size of the second, not with the default.

Are you sure about that? I'm fairly sure contracts exist today that are both completely unrelated to copyright and absolutely enforceable. I just sort of assumed they could be applied to what we consider copyrightable works if copyright didn't exist.

I understand that permission of the original author wouldn't be needed for anything once the software is obtained if one didn't agree to any binding conditions when obtaining it, but at least the first person to obtain it must obtain it from the developer, and that could be tied to a binding, enforceable contract to which one must agree to obtain the software. Let me explain with an example:

Bob is a developer, and he has created the amazing software "Foo 1.0". Now, Alice wants to use that software, but since it's new and nobody has obtained it yet, only Bob can give her a copy. And so, she contacts Bob, who tells her that if she wants a copy of "Foo 1.0", she must sign a contract. So Alice agrees, signs that contract, and gets the software. Now, I think that this would be reasonable and possible. And then, depending on the specifics of that contract (which I'd say is binding and enforceable), Alice may or may not be able to do certain things with the software she obtained, even if there's no copyright. Is my reasoning correct, or did I miss something important that makes it flawed?

Of course modified versions wouldn't be subject to the conditions of the original contract, but then again said contract could forbid the creation of modified versions, and/or publishing the source code.

I know.

Neither am I, despite your claims that I am. And I never claimed you were.

I agree.

Again, I agree. That's why I asked that you do not interpret my words as an attempt to continue debating.

I've been ready at least since the moment you first said that there is no reason or purpose to further debate.

Actually, I do not believe that there's another life, but that's a bit off topic (wait, do we still have a topic here? don't answer, it was a rhetorycal question).

As I said, stop misrepresenting my words as an attempt to continue (or in this case, reopen; the difference between the two terms is largely irrelevant) some non-existant debate.

Refer to the previous paragraph.

I didn't. I simply stated that I did not see how that was related to what looked like a case of you being unable to understand me (regardless of you agreeing with me or not; in case you hadn't noticed, one can agree with things he/she understands and with things he/she doesn't understand, as much as one can disagree with things he/she understands and also with things he/she doesn't understand). Anyway, that's a moot point by now since you have stated that you understood me, and I'm willing to believe that if it'll help to end this rather idiotic argument we're having.

Then stop misrepresenting my words as an attempt to continue some non-existant debate. I believe I already said that's never been my intention, and if I haven't (probably because I thought it was implied or sufficiently obvious) or if you need me to explicitly state it, I'll do it now: that was never my intention.

Come to think of it I marked you as a friend precisely because you had marked me as a foe for some reason. Meh, I think I'll keep you as a friend, you're a nice guy.

But then we get into the not so obvious question of quantifying the effect of everything on everything (for example, I suggest that the effect of lighting over sales of brand clothing is lesser than the effect of advertising)... And frankly I believe both of us have better things to do.

Agreed, but note that there's a difference betweeen "exclusively implemented by" and "the responsibility lies with". The first wording may be interpreted as you saying that there are no external influences, whereas the second can only be interpreted as "there may be influences, but ultimately it's up to the consumer and his willpower to resist those influences". But you've clarified what you meant, so yeah, not much to discuss here. ;)

Oh, don't worry. That sentence of mine may in fact have been a little too vague, I'll just try to be more precise from now on...

I assume you mean "would not necessarily be available", since obviously one could still release source code he/she creates. Authors of derivative works, of course, wouldn't have to release the code, but even under the GPL in its current form (with copyright and all) they'd only be required to do that if they distribute the modified binaries. But none of that is absolutely dependent on copyright, which brings me to my next point:

Couldn't there be a sort of contract to which you have to agree before you can use the software, that could exist without copyright? I'd think it's possible, but I might be missing something.

So you agree that it's not "implemented exclusively by the consumers", since those consumers can de influenced.

Quite the opposite actually, I mentioned "those that don't choose to buy last year's fashion" as an example of people who might be influenced by companies. But after all, even those that choose to buy last year's fashion might choose that because they were influenced...

True. But I never claimed that the proof of your inability to understand was your disagreement, did I?

By that logic, almost nothing could ever be discussed. Or in other words: I disagree.

But I must say that was a nice try to convince me of letting you say the last word. Which I might end up doing if your self-esteem requires it so badly, after all I'm not here to do harm.

But I am not debating or disputing your disagreement (originally I was, but you're too stubborn, so it's not worth my time). Where did you get such a ludicrous idea?

I believe I've sufficiently adressed all of that already.

Once again, I'm not failing to understand your position. Where did you get such a ludicrous idea?

True. But I never claimed that it was "asserting your opinion" that made me think that you are a troll, did I?

As I said, there's no reason to insult anyone, take a chill pill and be a little more respectful of your audience (and notice that I said "audience" and not "me", by now it seems quite obvious that you can't treat me respectfully).

OK, make that two chill pills. Heck, better take a bucketload of them. Maybe then you'll calm down and notice that it's precisely things like this that make me think that you don't understand me and that you're a troll (on that topic, maybe I should remind you who was the first one of us to call the other a troll).
Me, forcing my opinion on you? Yeah, sure. I wonder what opinion exactly am I forcing on you...