This is a troll, sortof, but it is exactly the slope this is going down.

$CORPORATE_RELIGION can discriminate against $YOUR_RELIGION or lack thereof.

This is a can o' worms that I don't think Hobby Lobby and their directors has completely thought through.

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My point exactly.

Instead of pointing to another study that is peer reviewed and has less of a payback to compare, or to an economist's or even an accountant's numerical analysis, he linked to someone with an axe to grind and wasted everyone's time who bothered to read it.

Like me.

I prefer to not be intellectually insulted.

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The rebuttal is from a climate-change denial site?

What the fuck is this, Fox News? What's next, Free Republic?

Fuck you, Timothy. Seriously, just fuck off.

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>No, they are likely exempt.

No, they *are* exempt as per the plain wording of the law. Go read it where it says "exceptions". It's astonishingly plain.

>easy for me to blame Microsoft

Microsoft has more lawyers than God (but possibly not IBM). They were able to use the internet back when the NSF's AUP was "No commercial activity at all" - to the extent that posting a "classified ad" to get rid of a file cabinet taking up space in your office would get your account suspended. Microsoft has competent individuals that can read. They have competent people who know what the difference is between a CERT-like security bulletin is, and an email that is selling something.

To say that Microsoft is incapable of figuring out what is commercial activity and what isn't is a worse criticism of Microsoft than me saying that Microsoft is throwing a temper tantrum.

Because you're calling them idiots.

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If they're 100% security related, then they likely are exempt.

No, not "likely" - they are exempt.

>Microsoft has a problem sending out security update emails without ads

Well, if they're that incompetent, then they should just completely close up shop.

One wonders how they got along on the Internet before the NSF was no longer the backbone.

Your statements defy credulity and overstate the "problem" to such a degree as to be nonsensical.

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It doesn't matter if it's commercial or not.

The law explicitly says that emails about product warranties, security updates, safety, etc, are exceptions to the consent part of the law.

I posted the relevant parts. Tell me how emailing emails about security is not covered by the exception without stretching language to the breaking point.

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>hand held
>pointed directly at filter
>not satisfied

I foed you for a reason. Thanks for reminding me.

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With the correct lens, yes.

Anton van Leeuwenhoek's microscope was held up close to the eye, and it was a single lens enstrument.

http://www.history-of-the-micr...

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"Notice to IT professionals: As of July 1, 2014, due to changing governmental policies concerning the issuance of automated electronic messaging, Microsoft is suspending the use of email notifications that announce the following: Security bulletin advance notifications; Security bulletin summaries; New security advisories and bulletins; Major and minor revisions to security advisories and bulletins. In lieu of email notifications, you can subscribe to one or more of the RSS feeds described on the Security TechCenter website."

WindowsIT Pro blames Canada's new anti-spam law.

Really now? Fucking really?

Here is the exception that applies directly.

Exception

(6) Paragraph (1)(a) does not apply to a commercial electronic message that solely

(c) provides warranty information, product recall information or safety or security information about a product, goods or a service that the person to whom the message is sent uses, has used or has purchased; ...
(f) delivers a product, goods or a service, including product updates or upgrades, that the person to whom the message is sent is entitled to receive under the terms of a transaction that they have previously entered into with the person who sent the message or the person â" if different â" on whose behalf it is sent;

So what is (1)(a)?

(1) It is prohibited to send or cause or permit to be sent to an electronic address a commercial electronic message unless
(a) the person to whom the message is sent has consented to receiving it, whether the consent is express or implied

Sending warranty, security, recall, update information is legal whether consented to or not.

Blaming this law "oh god, we don't know if it's legal to send security alerts!" means that they are either incompetent and can't read, or they're lying and throwing a temper tantrum.

Fuck Microsoft and Windows IT Pro.

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"It seems that nobody really knows what it means to be identified as a spammer."

The general definition is UCE - Unsolicited Commercial Email. The FAQ gives some pretty good ideas what a "commercial email" is (SMS is also under this definition). Basically, stuff sent blindly, ignoring any kind of consent on the part of the recipient.

>blaming this law for not being able to send out security update emails

It's one of the explicit exceptions to this law:

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca...

(c) provides warranty information, product recall information or safety or security information about a product, goods or a service that the person to whom the message is sent uses, has used or has purchased;

Blaming this law is simply whining.

Microsoft is throwing a temper tantrum. Fuck them.

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A tree can't very well wash away an infection that has invaded its leaves.

The only real way is to drop its leaves.

If you've walked in the woods often enough, you'd see this.

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Share with who, exactly?

There were no qualifiers to the message I originally replied to, only students mentioned.

So whatever, man.

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>postal service loses money

But then the Congress and the Bush administration in 2006 forced the USPS to pay for all of its retiree health benefit payments for the next 75 years in 10 years. NO BUSINESS, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, DOES THIS and it has created an untenable position. It's like the whole concept of proper amortization and actuarial tables never existed.

Prior to that, the USPS was profitable.

Republicans: "If it works, fuck with it anyway. Point at it when we've made it fail and say 'government sux' but it's not our fault - it's the fault of those liberals, over there, like the teacher's unions. Yeah, they made the USPS fail. That's the ticket."

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Oh look, he thinks that IT is programming/comp sci.

How cute.

I don't expect the IT guy to be able to write a damn line of C code, but I have also run into plenty of programmers that can't remember why you have to "safely eject" a USB drive in Windows.

"Uh, hey, I can't find my stuff...can you get it back?"

IT is to comp sci as plumbing is to hydrology - I don't expect the hydrology prof at URIGSO to know how to hook up plastic pipe to copper, and I don't expect the plumber to tell me anything about the Ogallala Aquifer.

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>Don't straw man me

You said, and I quote accurately:

All these people who go to college for the piece of paper are turning colleges into half-assed trade schools

If those aren't students, then who the fuck are they?

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