But studies show that most people that commit suicide do not 'really want to commit suicide'.
Now, I've seen some bizarre, nonsensical anti-gun arguments in my day, but this one...
I think you just got yourself into the running for Worst Argument Ever - Of All Time.
Congrats?
There really needs to be some sort of "drops mic, walks off stage" tag for posts like this one...
In addition to MLK, I would also like to point out that the people we refer to (with pride) as our nation's "founding fathers" were, to the last man, capital criminals. Traitors, thieves, murderers... hell, by today's standards they'd either be labelled "terrorists" or "the honorable Senator from ______."
Pistols are also the best self-defence weapon
Dogs are the best self-defence weapon.
Fuck yea they are. But they shouldn't be your only self-defense weapon. What if someone with a gun breaks in and shoots your dog?
Pistols, however, are used by criminals, by people committing suicide, and by kids playing around with them. As a direct result, over 30,000 people die every year after being shot with a pistol.
You left a group out: pistols are also used by law-abiding citizens to defend themselves from criminals.
How many of that 30,000 were violent felons who deserved to be shot? More than none, I promise you, and I'm glad for it - IMO, a woman's right to not be raped far exceeds a rapists right to life.
Ban automatic transmissions. That'll keep a good share of the inept off the road.
Throw in lane-sensing bullshit, self-parking, and all that other nonsense that allows shitty drivers to think they aren't shitty, you'll have my vote.
Good. As a libertarian, gun owner, voter, and not insane person, I understand that there needs to be SOME government regulation of guns. There is no reason not to try something to prevent insane people from getting firearms.
I agree.
They're going to murder anyway,
I disagree.
If you have a subset of the population presenting a threat to the rest, wouldn't it make more sense to separate them from everyone else, rather than try with futility (and inevitably fail) to essentially un-invent a tool?
If America treated mental illness like, you know, a fucking illness rather than a crime, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion.
besides, it's not like the tanks are firing rockets into neighborhoods with fighter jets.
"tanks" == "cops"
Funny typo, but far from my best (or would it be worst?) work.
I've never met a true anti-gun person. Every person I meet who argues that the general public shouldn't have (or only have very restrictive) access to guns also argues that the police should be allowed to use guns to enforce this argument. This is not an anti-gun argument. This is a monopolization of force argument.
If you as the opposite of "monopolization of force" think that there should be a balance of force between citizens and government and a real option of fighting the government, then you should start arguing for private ownership of real military heavy weaponry -- rockets, bombs, machine canons, armed fighter jets, attack helicopters, etc. Having hand guns in the hands of citizens is a joke in this context.
Reductio ad absurdum; besides, it's not like the tanks are firing rockets into neighborhoods with fighter jets.
All we need is an equalization of force: cops get tanks, we can have tanks; cops get machine guns with grenade launchers, we get them.
Of course, you're probably assuming TPTB would turn our own (actual) soldiers against us.. trouble with that is, they're going to be hard-pressed to convince guys like my brothers to start killing their own families over an ideology. Ever wonder why our soldiers are spread across the globe, rather than defending their own home turf?
Because soldiers are trained to use tanks and bombs to secure freedom, not take it away.
Why would you want an untraceable weapon? I cannot think of any ethical reason.
To quote the great Ace Ventura, "That's none of your damn business, Dan, and I'll thank you to stay out of my personal life."
> A democracy is all fun and games, until you get shot in the head,
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+... who gets 2 weeks paid vacation as a "punishment."
"Wilson's goal is still to render government gun regulation useless"
That's more than just making a gun.
It's also nothing close to anarchy.
And the thread is Godwined. Awesome.
The fact that the only response you have is a childish raising of the internet meme banner, I'm confident that my points stand valid, and that you, in fact, do not have a reasonable nor rationale counterargument.
Thanks for conceding the point, although I do wish you kids would find more grown-up ways to do so.
Amount of guns doesn't mean unregulated.
In Sweden we have plenty of guns but even the complete gun-nuts wouldn't leave a gun unattended.
Because knowledge of firearms and their proper use and storage is part of your culture.
Here in the US, when intelligent, reasonable gun advocates push for bringing firearms education back into our schools (as was the case in many places 40 years ago), the anti-gun people scream and whine about how we're trying to "indoctrinate" their kids into liking guns.
Please do us all a favor and talk to these anti-gun weirdies (my word) - coming from one of the Scandinavian cultures they seem to consider so much more civilized than our own, they might actually listen to you.
Armed confrontation with the state will not work. Syria is most recent historical example,
Um... is that the same Syria where large portions of the country have been taken over by rebels engaged in an armed confrontation with the state?
Sure you want to use that one as your example?
Your entire argument is that if you take something away, it can't be used anymore by crazy, bad, or angry people. That is a logical argument. So, why don't we just round up everyone that we think is crazy, bad, or angry and put only them into jail. That should stop the violence also, shouldn't it??? How about a law that says if you threaten someone, you are put into jail for 20 years to make sure you can't. What if we pass a law that says that if someone is scary, they also get put into jail. How about we pass a law that says the nice, quiet guy that lives next door, never bothers anyone, always says hi, is also thrown into jail just in case he goes nuts.
Dude!
Don't give those nosy fuckers any more ideas!
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