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Comment Re:Ghost in the machine (Score 2) 128

I remember reading about a vehicle made in Europe that was completely drive-by-wire with no mechanical linkages whatsoever. Of course, some vehicles had glitches, and when they did, there was nothing to do but hope the wreck didn't kill you.

You know how many criminal organizations would love to be able to use an assist motor to jam a steering wheel at will? With how interconnected vehicles are, it might just take a bluetooth hole to get on the CANBus, then go from there.

I wouldn't blame Ford specifically, but I do worry about things like GM's OnStar being a prime target for hackers. Get control of that, disable all GM cars, tout the accomplishment, and win immense street cred. Same with getting motor-assisted steering to start jerking the wheel at random to cause crashes, it would put an organization on the map and give them respect worldwide.

Car makers have been good, but in general, most companies feel that security has no ROI, so don't do much than lip service, and coupled with all the crap that can take over a vehicle's ECM [1], it can be concerning.

[1]: I was reading about a "tattle" device by one insurance company which apparently something over the OBD 2 connector, so if the device was removed, the vehicle wouldn't start. Is this real? Doubtful, but it is concerning.

Even without steer by wire, this can be accomplished with electric power steering. As an example, look at "Active Park Assist". The system will command the steering wheel to turn, pretty much to full lock, based on what the sensors see. I assume (maybe?) if it detects resistance on the steering wheel it won't over power it, but the technology is already there for the wheels to turn as the computer sees fit. Electronic Throttle Control means the gas pedal is really just a suggestion to the computer, and hybrids with regenerative braking, the brakes are (somewhat?) brake by wire.

Plus with push button start, to kill power for have to hold the power button for several seconds if you need an emergency shut down due to a malfunction. Cars are also moving to electronic parking brakes too.

Comment Re:Forget about traditional power savings... (Score 1) 339

Still not making any sense.

Talking about power factor maybe? If a motor is a slightly inductive load, you can put a capacitor to cancel out the inductance and bring power factor closer to unity. You will get the same "real power" out of the system, but your incoming current (amps) will be lower, because the phase angle will shift to be in line with voltage.

However residential customers are charged energy in kWh, so the "Amps", kVA, and power factor have no impact on the bill. Commercial / industrial can get hit with power factor penalties, as well as demand charges in kVA, so controlling power factor is important.

A bad power factor will impact the grid as a whole because the system has to be sized to handle the apparent power kVA, not just kW, increased current (even at a bad power factor) will increase I^2*R losses in the lines, but the mechanical energy in the generator makes real power.

Comment Re:Just like pints. (Score 1) 238

In Canada most places use lined glasses. The bartender is almost never going to actually look at the line, so you always get a bit extra. The point is that you know you're going to get a minimum amount of beer. Crappy bartender who pours a giant amount of head? No problem.

Fuel economy is the same thing. You can't tell if the inflated numbers for one car are more or less inflated than the numbers for another car. Not to mention you can't actually do any planning based on them.

At the microbrewery near me, the beer is sold in refillable 1.89L growlers. The proprietors always fill it as close to the top as possible, well in excess of 1.89L.

Comment Re:Lower? (Score 1) 238

Except the Yanks have smaller gallons 3.78 litres vs 4,54litres.

While a UK and Yank litre is the same 1000ml/cc

It's worse in Canada. Before Metrication, a gallon in Canada was the 4.54L Imperial gallon. And unless clarified, an unspecified gallon is still (supposed to be) assumed to be a Imperial Gallon. NRCan fuel consumption ratings are given in L/100lm, with ImpMPG still on the sticker for old farts. TV ads still push "MPG" ratings, and a lot of people still report their fuel economy in MPG even though distances aren't registered in miles, nor fuel sold in gallons (even young people who never bought gas in gallons!) It's even worse when they insist on using obsolete (for this country) units, yet don't even know which gallon they are using. In other cases they are too stupid to understand why Canadian MPG ratings are 20% larger than US MPG ratings.

Comment Re:taxes will lead to kludges (Score 1) 238

You're referring to an exceedingly small number of cases here. If you look at fuelly's numbers, only 55 out of 1879 Corollas tracked average more than 40 MPG (2.9%), while only 178 out of all 2930 Prii tracked get *less than* 40 MPG (6%). In the overwhelming majority of cases, the Prius gets better fuel efficiency than Corollas.

That, and the Prius' chief advantage is in city driving, which taxis operate in virtually exclusively. Since you're claiming Corollas beat them in their home environment, I call bullshit on your argument.

Not just city driving, but taxis do a lot more idling and waiting than a normal passenger car.

Stranger things have happened. Initially the city of Toronto failed to see as large of savings on Hybrid transit buses (seeing 10-20% vs. promised 20-30%), largely because they operated on suburban routes instead of stop and go urban routes.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com...

Comment Re:diesel-electric? (Score 1) 160

Whilst you highlight some of the advantages of electric over diesel, I don't buy that that's the whole reason for diesel electric trains. I suggest the advantages include efficiency, just as with hybrid cars.

Why? Because the first diesel electric locomotives were shunters, and they don't power up the bogies or a train, they just push or pull. So your explanation wouldn't cover it.

Boggies = trucks = wheels. Grandparent is talking about getting power from the engine to the wheels is simpler using diesel electric tech than a pure diesel tech. You still need to get power to the wheels of the locomotive when you're shunting. However with diesel electric you don't need a 1000HP clutch.

Interestingly I see things like this around for shunting (eg: at a processing plant), which are not diesel electric:
http://www.trackmobile.com/com...

Comment Re:Electric. (Score 4, Informative) 659

It's the charging time that's the problem. I make a 550 mile trip on a regular basis (work). I fly sometimes, and take the motorcycle sometimes, depending on weather and other factors. The bike has perhaps 200 miles capacity, so the Tesla already beats me on range. But the bike's refueling time is perhaps four minutes if I don't take a potty break. The tesla is what, six hours? That's turning a one day trip into two, both ways, unless I want to drive through the night.

Electric cars don't just need to get longer range. They also need to get significantly faster refueling times. For trips beyond the single charge range, there may never be a practical solution. (Yes, I've heard of the battery swap idea. I don't expect that to become widespread for a number of reasons.)

Check out Tesla Supercharger. Not quite 4 minutes, but 150 miles of range added in 30 minutes. Sit down for supper or a coffee break while it charges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

Comment Re:I hate push button start (Score 1) 865

2. I've got to push some dash start button, which seems to have some kind of timer control. It's not a temporary switch to the starter motor. You can just tap it and it will engage thee stater. I worry what happens when my fuel pump or battery is a few years older and it takes a little longer to start.

This is just the way things are headed, even for key ignitions. My car has a key, but you don't have to hold it in the start position to start the engine. You just turn it quickly and then let it go and the engine cranks by itself.

Usually in these systems the car monitors the engine and keeps the starter engaged until the engine has started, usually up to a maximum of ~10 seconds. Try holding to the accelerator to the floor to engage "flood clear mode", where no gas is injected in the cylinders, and press start. The engine should keep cranking until:
-You release the pedal and fuel starts flowing
-10 seconds is up and it stops to prevent overheating the motor
-Some push button systems might stop if you take your foot off the brake.

Comment Re:No, thank you. (Score 1) 865

This. My wife's car is completely keyless. She has to have the fob to open the doors or turn it on. This past winter she came out of work and couldn't get into her car let alone turn it on because the battery in her fob died. Fortunately it was at work and she had a warm place to go back to and call me to bring her the spare fob. If she had been somewhere without such recourse when it was -15 wind chill she very well could have died.

My Chevy Volt has keyless entry, remote start, and a keyless start option, but it still has a physical key. If the battery in the Fob dies I can still get in it. My old Chevy Impala I kept a spare key in my wallet. It wouldn't start it, but would open the door or trunk in case I locked the keys in the car or I could get to the emergency supplies I kept in the trunk.

You name the model car you have, and your old one. Why don't you name the one your wife has that's apparently a deathtrap in the winter?

Comment Re:I don't like the control it takes away from you (Score 1) 865

Q: How do you give a prolonged crank, if the car fails to start (e.g. poor fuel, or cold weather)?
A: You have to let the computer attempt 3 failed starts. After that, the behaviour of the start/stop sequence changes. After the 3rd attempt, a momentary push of the button, will make the computer crank the engine for up to 30 seconds, for as long as the brake pedal remains depressed.

Strange. In my Ford a momentary move of the key to start will leave the engine cranking for as long as required (up to 10 seconds). Is ~10 seconds what a "failed start" is considered? Most manuals don't recommend cranking for more than 10 seconds, and recommend cooldown periods between attempts.

Comment Re:I don't like the control it takes away from you (Score 1) 865

SURE you can buy the key for under $25, but it's going to cost you $75 to have the dealer program the ECU or that key will not be able to start your car.

If you're trying to program an immobilizer key, and already have two that are programmed for the car, it's usually a matter of sticking one authenticated key in, turning the ignition to RUN, then sticking the second in and turning the ignition to RUN, then sticking the new key in and turning the ignition to RUN. I got two immobilizer keys from eBay for $14, Home Depot cut them for free, and I programmed them myself.

Comment Re:I don't like the control it takes away from you (Score 1) 865

Now, my car is an automatic, so I have not tried the roll/start on a manual transmission with a push button ignition, but it seems to me that with all of the accessories and instrumentation turned on, I don't see why it wouldn't work.

That might work if the battery at least had enough juice to power the accessories. If it was really dead, it most likely wouldn't recognize your button pushes, so it wouldn't know it was in position 2.

In which case any car from the past 25 years wouldn't have sufficient juice to power the ECU, EFI, and electric fuel pump for a push start either (which would be somewhere from 6-9V on a 12V system). Older carbureted cars requiring spark power only can be push started with less.

Comment Re:I don't like the control it takes away from you (Score 1) 865

Personally, I'm neutral. On one hand, the Prius and Nissan keyfobs that just sit in a pocket are cool with one less thing to flip open. On the other hand, having to stick the physical key in the vehicle with a very low power transmitter handling the passive anti-theft access gives a bump in security.

There's no transmitter in my key. You're thinking of the RFID keys, which are pretty good security: coupled with a decent quality alarm with multiple immobilizers it makes a car pretty much unstealable unless you have a flatbed.

But there's no reason you can't simply put the RFID into the alarm keyfob instead of the key. In fact, most of the pushbutton starters I've seen in recent years work exactly like that -- there's an RFID in your keyfob, and if you don't have the keyfob in your pocket (or within a few feet of the car), the car simply won't start. If the car gets out of range of the keyfob, it'll trip the fuel line immobilizer.

Most push button systems have an active RFID transmitter in the fob to give the range (key can be in your pocket and allow you to unlock the door, or start the car). If the battery in the fob dies there's the emergency key to open the drivers door, then usually the fob is held by the ignition button, or there's a hidden slot, to allow passive RFID to authenticate the fob and allow you to start the car. Most cars from the past 7+ years include RFID immobilizers (passive in the case of standard keys).

Comment Re:I don't like the control it takes away from you (Score 1) 865

With a key, you switch it to 1 and can run accessories. You switch it to 2 and the ignition computer is powered. Switch and hold it to 3 and you crank. You decide exactly how to start your engine.

With the newer systems, you just push the button and it decides what to do. You lose the control. What if you want to crank for a while because it won't start? What if you want to switch it to position 2 and push-start a manual transmission car? You can't.

I like the standard keys. And really, just because one manufacturer happened to use a defective part, we lose them? Key switches have been around for decade and are reliable. Just fix the reliability issue in that one model and that's it.


With many cars with keys from the past ~7 years the "START" position is a request at best. The key only has to be momentarily moved to START, and the engine will keep cranking for as long as required to start the engine (usually up to a maximum of like 10 seconds). This can be tested by holding the accelerator to the floor (which will put the car in "clear flood mode" where no fuel is injected to the engine), and turning the key to start, and it will keep cranking the engine after you release the key, until you release the pedal. This logic already being there makes remote start or push button start a dead simple change.

Hold the key to START longer than required to start the engine, and the car will ignore you and the starter will disengage after the required time anyways.

Although I can appreciate your concern about not having full control of your car, many people are stupid, even when it comes to such things as starting a car. I remember once hearing a guy outside the building trying to start his crappy old Chev Lumina.

Rrr. . .
Rrrr-rrr. . .
Rrr. . .
Rrr-rrr. . .
Rrr. . .
Rrr-rr. . .

Clearly he was too stupid to just hold the key at start:
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-vroom!

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