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Comment Re:"or later" ... its a blank check ... its a trap (Score 1) 739

The resulting binary derives its license from its source, not the compiler used.

Until you build something that doesn't allow you to license the runtime libraries without bringing the entire executable under the same license.

That's not the compiler, and that doesn't happen with bsd licensed tools/libs.

Comment Bet he can't tell ... (Score 4, Insightful) 582

I bet you could not tell the difference between a civilian plane and a military plane flying at 30,000 feet over a war zone either.

I bet he can't tell them apart either, but I also bet he wouldn't fire a missile at it. *Firing a missile anyway* is the important thing here, not a failure to identify the aircraft.

Comment Re:Or upgrade to llvm ... (Score 4, Informative) 739

That may be an upgrade if all you program in is a C-derivative.

"Originally implemented for C and C++, the language-agnostic design (and the success) of LLVM has since spawned a wide variety of front ends: languages with compilers that use LLVM include ActionScript, Ada, D, Fortran, OpenGL Shading Language, Haskell, Java bytecode, Julia, Objective-C, Swift, Python, Ruby, Rust, Scala, and C#."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

Comment Re:Or upgrade to llvm ... (Score 1) 739

Debian people should probably downgrate their shiny new compiler.

Or upgrade to llvm. Being [able] to compile with either gcc or llvm would be a nice option.

"Update to to icc", that I would understand (for Intel platforms). "Upgrade to LLVM" sounds like this is not coming from a C++ programmer who really cares about the final binary ...

Then your politics is blinding you. Having two unrelated compilers build your code is sometimes helpful in finding bugs in your code. Bug free is goal #1. Being slightly faster is an important but secondary consideration. As I said, it would be nice to have the option to compile with *either* gcc or llvm. Again, note "either", only your politics is creating the straw man of llvm replacing gcc.

Plus one compiler being faster than another is not a given, things change over time

Comment "or later" ... its a blank check ... its a trap ! (Score 1) 739

The main problem is that Linus did not take copyright assignments, so it's practially impossible now to relicense the Linux kernel or upgrade it to GPLv3. Therefore, always remember to use "GPLv3 or later" when you release software. The "or later" is really important.

No, Linus did the right thing. "Or later" is very dangerous, its a blank check, its an unknown, ... its a trap! We have no idea what some future GPL license may include. It may include things that we do not want. As some developers who are staying with gpl 2 intentionally have said about gpl 3.

That said, the above is off topic. Compiling the kernel with llvm does not change the license of the kernel. A BSD licensed compiler has no effect on GPL licensed source code. The resulting binary derives its license from its source, not the compiler used.

Comment Compiler doesn't change the license ... (Score 5, Informative) 739

Debian people should probably downgrate their shiny new compiler.

Or upgrade to llvm. Being [able] to compile with either gcc or llvm would be a nice option.

How could you _upgrade_ from GPLv3 to BSD? Sounds like the reverse.

Compiling with a BSD licensed compiler does not change the license of the software being compiled. Linux would remain gpl regardless of whether gcc or llvm is used.

Comment Some politicians are just like wall street ... (Score 1) 114

why should we fund NASA at all?

For exploration, for technology development. Some things are too big, too risky or the return on investment too long for commercial space companies.

Contrary to some of its critics beliefs, some NASA spending does have a return on investment, a benefit to the U.S. economy and U.S. society. Much like some investments in basic scientific research. The problem is that some politicians are just like wall street, they want to see the payback in a fiscal quarter or two -- well unless their district provides something to NASA. Sometimes budget cuts are a politician's way of saying "I didn't get my piece of the pie".

Comment More CS Majors ... (Score 1) 91

If the humanities infrastructure suffers, no doubt there'll be fewer English majors, and more CS majors, so it'll be a good thing, right? Or did someone mean "humanity's infrastructure"?

If we get more CS majors then maybe we can update the voice recognition software to do a better job of picking between phonetically similar words using context.

Comment College is useful for most ... (Score 4, Insightful) 225

The jobs could in fact be done by Americans with no degrees at all. This cultural indoctrination that you must have a degree must end ...

In my 30 years of programming experience I have rarely seen a job advertisement that did not say 4-year degree or equivalent, equivalent as in on the job experience, as your experience suggests.

... I've been programming for 30 years as a profession and I have never had a degree, and I'll never submit to the immoral status quo by getting one. I have both the theory, the experience, and the necessary practical skills under my belt, and all without a single degree.

Some of the best programmers I know never finished college. However they are **extremely** rare. They will read and figure out college level material over a broad set of topics on their own time on their own initiative, a broad set of topics comparable to those found in a typical degree program. However most of the self taught do not seem to be that self motivated, they may study some topics that are of interest to them but they will not have the broad understanding that the former or the formally trained typically have. Many of the formally trained are no more intelligent nor any more self motivated, but they had external motivations compelling them to study things that they had little interest in. The odd thing about many of the less interesting topics is that they often have unforeseen application to problems you eventually encounter and/or they are actually more important than you knew.

That said, there are also many in college who really have no interest in programming and are just there to get their "ticket punched", to get a piece of paper. They did not enter the program because of any inherent interest in programming and engineering, rather someone told them it was a good career path. Such individuals do not turn out to be the better programmers either. In contrast those with an inherent interest in programming often go far beyond the work required for class and use the incredible resources found at a university to study things that otherwise would have been beyond their resources.

So if a person has the time and resources to attend college they would do a great disservice to themselves to skip it due to some political position. You get out of college what you put in, and you will have access to resources and people you probably could not find anywhere else. And that includes likeminded peers. Its one thing to collaborate on code over the internet, its another thing to sit side by side staring at the same screen trying to puzzle something out and walking around campus bouncing ideas around. Plus there is also ready access to individuals studying other necessary disciplines. The density of useful knowledge and experience is quite high among fellow students at a university, its just a matter of finding people with genuine interests in their respective fields rather than the ticket punchers.

Comment Pollution as in atmospheric O2 ... (Score 4, Informative) 95

Well, pollution as in atmospheric O2, not pollution as in SUV exhaust. Atmospheric O2 is not the Earth's "normal" state, its a byproduct of life.

If I remember correctly, Earth's original atmosphere was SO2 based and some photosynthetic creature with a sulfur based metabolism started emitting O2 as a waste product ... and so began global climate change 1.0.

Comment Coast Guard can't be under military command ... (Score 4, Informative) 190

U.S. Coast Guard there is no conceiveable reason this agency should not be under control of the pentagon ...

The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the U.S. armed forces from enforcing the law. That is why the National Guard is normally under the command of a State Governor and the Coast Guard is normally under the command of a civilian agency. When under such command they are not considered part of the U.S. armed forces and a Governor can have the state National Guard units enforce the law, for example during natural disasters, riots, etc. Similarly when under civilian command the Coast Guard can enforce maritime law, enforce safety regulations, arrest smugglers, etc.

Comment Re:Is this an achievement? (Score 1) 47

Am I only one who doesn't think this is all that impressive? A manned ship surviving, yes, ...

I knew someone who served on a Fletcher class destroyer in WW2. They survived a typhoon that claimed several other ships. He said the typhoon scared the crew more than combat, and this was a crew that had seen combat from Guadalcanal to Japan. He also said they would spend their last dollar buying a beer for any worker at the Bath Iron Works in Maine, the shipyard that built their ship.

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