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Comment Re:Money (Score 4, Insightful) 198

God forbid any of the African nations affected by this disease cough up any money.

Considering that the cost to the U.S. of this ebola outbreak is going to be in the billions of dollars, it makes a lot of sense to fund research into vaccines to reduce the cost to us later on, regardless of what other countries are doing.

Comment Re:So ... WTF is it? (Score 3, Insightful) 66

To be fair, editors have to take guesses at what is going to be common knowledge in the readership vs things that need to be explicitly stated. It is not always an easy thing to get right, and always erring on the side of explaining is its own problem.

It's too bad that nobody has invented a method where a link to a full explanation could be included within the summary itself. Maybe when people start using this new-fangled "world wide web" thing, we'll be able to do cool things like that.

Comment Re:Oh no! (Score 2) 216

Could you please inform the engineers that the North Sea is full of salt water? Armed with that piece of information that I'm sure they don't have, they can take that into consideration when designing this.

More likely they'll have to cancel the project. After all, if it was possible for modern technology to create machinery that works when submersed in salt water, I sure that somebody would have already done it.

Comment Re:Summary is misleading (Score 3, Informative) 468

It is misleading, although mostly because the "House Majority PAC" is misleadingly named. I'm not quite sure what they intend to accomplish with that name -- maybe they're trying to make it less obvious which party is benefiting from "outside money"? Their website says that it was formed in 2011, so it's never actually been aligned with the "house majority."

Comment Re:This is related (Score 1) 294

Let's review, shall we?

You obviously do think that there are circumstances where it is appropriate to impose restrictions on a person's liberty when there is some threshold of probability that they could infect others with a deadly disease.

Obviously, you are the one lying. I never said any such thing.

But then you say:

A person who is a danger to themselves and others may be restrained. Whether that's someone with advanced Ebola or waiving a gun around in a crowd, the answer is the same.

I don't know any way to reconcile those statements. They are fundamentally contradictory.

I keep saying you support quarantines because you keep supporting them. "I'm against quarantines, but I think they should be used" isn't a consistent point of view.

Repeated assertion does not make something true. I am capable of recognizing and assessing the arguments on both sides, and I intensely dislike a mode of debate that tries to marginalize or misrepresent the people on the other side.

Comment Re:This is related (Score 1) 294

I never lied. You are arguing with people who, for as much as you'll share about your reasons, want the same thing you do, but for different reasons. That I expose your stupidity doesn't make me a liar. Though I can see how it would make me unpopular with those I'm exposing the stupidity of.

You keep saying that I support quarantines. That is untrue, and you know it. That is the definition of a lie. If you don't like being called a liar, you should probably stop doing it.

You obviously do think that there are circumstances where it is appropriate to impose restrictions on a person's liberty when there is some threshold of probability that they could infect others with a deadly disease.

Obviously, you are the one lying. I never said any such thing. There is the assumption that FEMA/CDC/etc can step in in the case of a national emergency. I didn't follow the cases closely, but from my understanding, the concentration camps in WWII were never ruled "unconstitutional", even though apologies were offered for them. Since everyone else assumes it, I wasn't going to argue the color of the shoes of the government officials that would be involved. Seemed irrelevant.

So you believe that a quarantine is never appropriate, under any circumstances? All right; I'll believe you, although I got a different impression from these comments that you made that led me to believe that you thought that quarantining a person who was "actively sick" with Ebola would be reasonable.

Denying the right of the government to impose a quarantine under any circumstances is a consistent point of view, albeit one that is probably not going to get much support.

When you act like a reasonable person, then maybe that would be what this is about.

How about you address what I said, rather than making personal attacks? Do you deny the statement that "Reasonable people can disagree on what that threshold is, and what the restrictions should be?" Based on your last answer, maybe you do. But say so, rather than lashing out.

Comment Re:This is related (Score 1) 294

So you are saying that the quarantines you are calling for are illegal, even if the person is actively sick?

I'm guessing that means that you can't actually answer the question?

I gave you a pass before, but since you've responded to all my comments, you already know very well that I do not support a general quarantine. If your argument is so sound, why do you keep resorting to lying about someone who disagrees with you?

To answer the question, the CDC says that the federal government derives its authority to impose a quarantine from the Commerce Clause. Which is mostly just a way of saying that "it's not in the Constitution, but we're pretending that it is anyway."

You obviously do think that there are circumstances where it is appropriate to impose restrictions on a person's liberty when there is some threshold of probability that they could infect others with a deadly disease. Reasonable people can disagree on what that threshold is, and what the restrictions should be. That is essentially what this is about.

Comment Re:This is related (Score 1) 294

The rules for "possible" infection demand no quarantine. That's based on science. You are the one that seems to be claiming that following the science is wrong. Show a fever, go to quarantine. Show no symptoms, you are "safe", according to the science.

Of the three healthcare workers who have come down with symptoms, at least one of them traveled using mass transit after beginning to exhibit those symptoms. That's not a particularly good record. The concern is that by not taking any precautions, you increase the probability that someone will be in public when they are contagious.

You're not "safe" if you show no symptoms. You're safe right now. The fact that you and so many others fail to acknowledge the difference tells me that you're being deliberately obtuse. And until you approach the subject honestly, you can't pretend that you are engaging in an intelligent discussion on the subject.

Comment Re:This is related (Score 1) 294

So, anyone you don't like (we'll call them "sick" or "potentially sick") can be rounded up and thrown into concentration camps.

There is a large continuum between "Everyone can do anything they want" and "Everyone should be put into a concentration camp." It is outright dishonest for you to claim that there is no middle ground.

They don't have to understand science to understand human rights.

There is a valid argument to be made concerning human rights. So make that argument, rather than the stupid one that people are trying to make.

Comment Re:This is related (Score 1) 294

if she is asymptomatic and do not test positive for the virus she cannot spread the disease

This is true.

and thus quarantine accomplishes nothing.

This, on the other hand, is false. It does not logically follow, no matter how many times people assert it.

You either misunderstand or misrepresent the reasoning behind these quarantines. The purpose is not to prevent someone who is already contagious from infecting someone else. The purpose is to prevent someone who may become contagious in the future from doing so where there is potential to infect other people.

There are arguments to be made against that policy, but "she tested negative" is completely irrelevant in this context. Until you acknowledge the real reasoning behind the policies instead of the strawman you've constructed, you can't engage in an intelligent discussion on the topic.

Comment Re: This is related (Score 1) 294

If you cannot isolate infectious virus or amplify its genetic material from someone's bodily fluids, they are not infectious.

Making assertions based on panic is not reasonable.

You accuse me of making an assertion based on panic. What assertion is that? Do you deny that a person can be infected, and still test negative for ebola? If so, then you need to do some more research.

The purpose for the quarantine is so that people will be away from the public when they become infectious.

If you think that's unneeded or the wrong way to go about it, then fine. I actually agree. But stop trying to pretend that a negative test for ebola is relevant in this discussion. It's not.

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