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Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

Well we can test in the lab that CO2 will absorb infra-red radiation at a very high rate, due to the presence of two C=O bonds (http://www.chem.ucla.edu/~webspectra/irtable.html). If temperature continued to go up while CO2 levels went down the hypothesis would be false.

That is an interesting blog post, I don't have the time to run through all the math right now, but a quick calc tells me that Earth receives 47% of the thermal radiation of Venus, and emits 58% of the radiation Venus does. (Just playing with the numbers in his post and the relative sizes of the planet.) I'll look at it again when I have more time and give you a better answer.

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

If they went in opposite directions that would completely falsify it, especially since the "central conceit[sic]" is that an increase in CO2 will lead to an increase in temperature. The one proposed by Fourier in 1824 and has agreed with pretty much every study since then.

Do you expect scientists to be able to pick a model and have it match the real world completely and immediately? Do you expect that there can't be anything they didn't think of the first time they sat down? Science gets refined with time, if observations don't match theories, those theories are rejected and new ones are put in their place. This is exactly what has been happening with climate science for the last 40 years.

Also: I'm not sure if you typo'd "concept", if you're unclear on the meaning of the word "conceit" or if you mean it as an insult. Please clarify.

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

Are you saying that the conclusion that most people agree upon is correct or that having more people understand an issue is helpful to the overall dialog on the issue?

If you are saying former then I would say that is a classic logical fallacy.

If the latter then I would agree with you.

I'd say both, really. I realise that having a lot of people think something doesn't make it right, but if you show your idea to enough people, at some point you start to think that all the holes must have been found by at least one of the eyes that looked at it.

To do that we must have access to the process and a seat at the table.

There has been a concerted effort lately to shut out "deniers" from all such discussions. They are being blacklisted from media. Blacklisted from science conferences. Blacklisted in science journals.

The process is very transparent. Even with the whole "climategate" bullshit a few years ago, there was nothing that wasn't open and honest apart from a couple of informal emails using words that the MSM didn't like. To be accepted to a science journal or conference you need to be doing science, not just spouting a conspiracy theory.

A bunch of other shit.

Politics are shit. Anything politics gets into, whether it's office politics, politics in sport or national politics, the fact that it exists will be a drag on what you want to achieve. That doesn't mean that the underlying thing stops being important. Your job isn't meaningless because your manager is trying to get himself more power. Sport isn't less fun because a player went to another team for a bullshit reason. Just like carbon dioxide won't magically change it's IR spectrum because some greedy politicians are sticking their noses in.

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

How is it not falsifiable? If the measured temperature was different from what the model predicted then we'd decide that model is no good and throw it out. Look at the graphs here. The yellow and blue lines are ridiculous, so those models have been falsified. The models trending with the temperatures are still considered to be good. Weather patterns that we know about and can monitor and account for are not "ad hoc special pleading." They are part of what's required to model temperatures.

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

Why can't they take the data from the 70s, 80s, 90s feed it into their software and predict the 00s?

That's exactly what they do. https://www.skepticalscience.c... What did you think they were doing?

The hockey stick program also works with basket ball scores. It's all about acquiring grant funds by scaring rubes.

There's more money in predicting basketball scores, if they were looking for the money there are many easier ways to get it.

It's turned into religion by people who are too invested in the outcome. If I thought it was real I'd head the parade.

What would if take to convince you that it's real?

Comment Re:Projections (Score 1) 987

blindly accept everything you tell us here on out or be labeled a "denier"

Don't blindly accept anyone's word for anything. It isn't the easiest thing in the world to understand, but having more people who do understand it will let us make sure we're doing the right thing.

... is to give over our wealth and power to some select group of people that will save the world...

There will always be shysters. Did bridges become a ridiculous concept when the Brooklyn Bridge was "sold" or do people just need to be a little bit more careful?

Comment Re:sky should be the limit... (Score 3, Informative) 314

You need either a materials science class or a reading class...

Diamonds are not tough in that they can be crushed and they do not appreciably deform.
Anvils are tough in that they can be repeatedly hit with a hammer, which will create dents etc. but will not fracture the metal.

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