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Comment Re:Not seeing the issue here (Score 0) 209

Cops should NEVER be allowed to lie outside of specific, warrant backed undercover operations. I will never understand when it became ok for those charged with enforcing the law to lie without shame.

I can hear Donnie Brasco now, "I'm not allowed to lie to you and pretend I'm a fellow mobster. Please shoot me now and drop me in the Hudson."

Comment Re:Not seeing the issue here (Score 1) 209

That doesn't seem to be quite in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights. "Land of the smart enough to avoid being framed by the justice system" - doesn't have the same ring, does it?

If (the collective) you don't choose to exercise your rights (right to be silent, right to an attorney), haven't you voluntarily left the protections of the above?

Comment Re:Not seeing the issue here (Score -1, Troll) 209

And then the public defender you're assigned because you can't afford a decent lawyer tells you to go ahead and plead guilty to the lesser charge, even though everyone knows it's a false charge (the accusing party has a long history of making such charges and is well-known to the local police and judiciary) since it really doesn't mean anything, and you'll just get probation, but if you take it to trial they'll be mad and will throw the book at you. And two weeks after you are frightened and pressured into pleading guilty, and are sentenced to several years in prison, your lawyer is hired by the state as an assistant prosecutor.

Then you're too stupid to be free.

Comment Re:Not seeing the issue here (Score 4, Insightful) 209

Bingo. You're absolutely correct.

"I've got three witnesses that put you there, DNA evidence, and some video with someone wearing jeans and a white hoodie, just like you wear, though the face isn't visable. You'll get the death penalty. If you give me a confession, we can get it down to manslaughter. First offense. You'll probably just get probation. Here's some paper."

Yeah, police being able to lie is a great idea. I'm sure it benefits somebody. Other than the owners of for-profit prisons, I'm not sure who.

And the answer to that scenario is, "I'd like to see a lawyer, please." and not say another word.

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