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Comment Re:Chaotic Systems (Score 2) 65

Ok, so I assume you use a Monte Carlo technique to generate probabilities of outcomes. But does having supercomputers improve the accuracy of the results, with any certainty?

Well yes, of course. That's the entire purpose of uncertainty prediction, and HPC simulations in general. In any kind of complex numerical simulation (say, turbulent aerodynamics), the accuracy with which you can simulate a given physical situation is entirely constrained by your available computational power. You must find a balance between the level of detail you need versus computer power available (i.e., direct numerical simulation of turbulence for a full-sized aircraft is both entirely unfeasible computationally, and provides drastically more information than is necessary for analysis). These are well-studied problems, and not "guesswork" as you seem to imply. Extending that to a situation where the inputs themselves are uncertain clearly is a situation where more computer power leads to more accurate results. Basic statistics tells you the more data points you have (in this case, results from a range of inputs), the more reliable your predictions of uncertainty.

Comment Re:Undergraduate education is largely a scam early (Score 2) 261

The truth is that the first 2-3 years of undergrad are generic, profs generally hate teaching them, and it's about a cash grab before the students go on to something else. Online school can eliminate that for those students most likely to continue on - in my opinion, for what that's worth.

It is not until your final years in engineering, anyway, that I felt there was real engagement from faculty.

While true, I can say for certain after several years of engineering grad school and TAing undergrad classes at all levels, that a very very firm grasp on the material in those first 2-3 years is the most important. Higher level material is worthless without solid fundamentals. So, just because the courses are often very large, and oftentimes more "dry" than later more advanced courses, it's a mistake to paint them as any less important.

Comment Re:WTF (Score 0) 2115

Why do people that aren't black defend people who are?
Why do people that aren't gay defend people who are?
Why do people that aren't elderly defend people who are?
Why do people that aren't impoverished defend people who are?
Why do people that aren't _____ defend people who are?

"They have something I want, so I should get it" is not a valid basis for taxation. You're doing nothing but scapegoating the wealthy. The "tyranny of the majority" doesn't just apply to the classic civil rights issues, you know. You have no right to take someone else's money just because you have a larger voting bloc.

Comment Re:Total Lack of Cognitive Dissonance (Score 1) 2115

Recently, various state governments have been going after unions, and you see conservative commentators on the various shows talking about how teachers make enough money, how $30-40k a year is plenty when you consider union benefits, blah blah. Now these same exact people are going to go on the same exact shows and, with a straight face, say how those poor folks making a million a year are just struggling to get by and really need a break in this kind of economy while completely ignoring the fact they've spent a better part of a year telling us a teacher's salary is downright lavish. How does a conservative's head not explode from the cognitive dissonance?

Because no conservative actually says something so stupid. That's a stereotype you've made up in your head that doesn't exist in reality. No one opposes higher taxes on the wealthy because they're "struggling" or "need a break." It's for macroeconomic reasons. I have no problems with someone disagreeing with this particular theory of economics, but I do have major problems with people willfully ignoring the reasoning of the opposition and preferring to posit strawmen.

Comment Re:Non sequitur (Score 1) 433

I was speaking entirely about college and postgraduate education, and the recent slashdot articles regarding them, and I thought that was quite explicit. As a product of a bad local public school system, and later a college instructor of the same, I'm fully aware that our k12 education system is broken and atrocious.

Comment Re:Finally some sanity (Score 0) 433

The fact remains that going to college is not going to automatically put you into a high skilled, well paying, and stable job.

No one anywhere at any time said that. I don't know why you keep repeating it as if it's a matter of debate. My colleagues and I worked hard to learn the skills necessary to take high skilled, well paying stable jobs. Many did not, and dropped out of the program, and work less skilled, lower paying jobs.

If you have what it takes to find a high skilled, well paying, and stable job, you will find one no matter what kind of paper you have hanging on your wall.

Okay Ayn Rand.

Comment Re:Finally some sanity (Score 1) 433

Why then the school price/salary correlation ? Surely a candidate will seize the unique opportunity of learning vast amounts of useful stuff in his future career, as opposed to say, skimming along a cheap PhD ?

I honestly didn't see the school price/salary correlation anywhere but in the summary, but I didn't delve deeply into Georgetown's actual report. I'd be happy to have a look if you'd like to point it out to me. One might reasonably expect an ivy league "business" major to do considerably better than a heavy drinking state school fratboy "business" major.

Regarding learning "useful stuff" during a career, allow me to use anecdotal evidence. The statistical evidence seems to be entirely in my favor (that high education leads to higher pay) which seems to be distasteful to a number of /.'ers with mod points to spare on me, so I think anecdotes might be appropriate.

Take my friends that ended their engineering education at a BS. They generally got around $50-$60k starting pay, scattered around the country, with benefits one expects in professional jobs. Over the past 4 years, the vast majority of them have been doing fairly mundane tasks. Lots of them simply sitting in front of CAD programs doing repetitive, technical tasks. I'd agree, that many of these skills they could've learned in trade school. A much smaller handful of more talented, more motivated friends are moving up their company ladders, and doing correspondingly more interesting work for more pay, but they're naturally the exception in the pyramid of a corporation. Thing is, these entry-level people aren't learning a whole bunch of interesting, varied things. They're paid a salary to do one job, not learn to do others.

Now, take those who did an MS after their BS. They spent two years getting a much more broad yet in-depth education. They learned far more in two years than those who went straight to industry, no matter how passionate they were. A for-profit industry can never provide the kind of variety that academia can. In the words of a government researcher PhD friend, "it's the industry's job to train, and academia's job to educate." Those MS people were able to take much more interesting, challenging, better paying jobs that gave them more fulfillment, and it's based entirely on the considerable technical skills they acquired.

And then, the PhD is a different ballgame altogether. Suggesting that you can accumulate the kind of technical knowledge learned in an engineering/science PhD program by "skimming over the course of a career" is quite simply wrong and naive. There's a damn good reason why fresh PhD grads are hired for technical research positions at major companies for twice the pay, and not some 50 year old hobbyist.

Comment Re:Finally some sanity (Score 0) 433

If you are there for the right reasons, you're not even going to care if you end up working at McDonalds in the end. You are pursuing your passions and that is what matters.

Sigh. I sure hate that sensationalist line.

It turns out that if your passion isn't being a McDonalds fry cook, then you're going to care if you end up working at McDonalds. Working 40+ hours a week at a mind-numbing, low-skilled job basically incapable of supporting a family or any kind of comfortable life just so you can put time into your "passion" for a few hours on weekends isn't exactly "pursuing your passion."

Comment Re:Finally some sanity (Score 0) 433

Let me guess, all your friends have a PhD thesis in the exact domain their employer is active ?

Let me stop you there. I explicitly said at all of BS, MS, and PhD levels, not just PhD. "Engineering" degrees are by their nature quite widely applicable.

It surely couldn't be cherry-picking by the employers in a high unemployment situation where workers desperately try to signal their higher commitment to the profession and ability to follow instructions,

As wrong as the rest is, I'm a bit baffled why you think "signaling higher commitment" is some kind of silly thing. If I were an employer in a particular discipline, I think I'd prefer a candidate with greater interest in the discipline, wouldn't you?

with only marginal improvement in their skills from said degrees ?

Now this is really wrong, possibly trollish, and likely intended to be insulting. Maybe one could say this about an MBA, but the people completing MS and PhD degrees in engineering are almost across-the-board vastly more capable than their BS counterparts. And it's not strictly a matter of them already being more capable/dedicated in order to be accepted to very selective graduate programs, but the vast amount of learning that occurs in the process of doing independent study and research.

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