Comment Re:No story here (Score 1) 1324
pudge, as your friend, i thought i should point out some things you missed in the post you replied to:
Well, obviously other religions can't offer any ethical guidance, and exposing the kids to them will clearly cause them to hate Christianity. Better not even expose them to other thoughts! And the best place to go for that? Here in the US.
Who the hell are YOU -- or any government -- to deprive the parents of their right to make that choice? Ridicule it all you want, but it is THEIR choice.
Well, in fact it is not.
True. In Germany. (remember, pudge, there is a whole other world out there)
It is one of those areas where you have to judge personal freedom against societal needs or desires.
True. In America, if you teach your child to be the wheel-man as you snipe out the trunk of your car, you can expect society to step in. And, if the social services people come by, and realize that you are a nut case abusing your children by "educating" them, you can expect the judge to back them up.
Like deciding whether it is ok to carry weapons in public
True. In Germany, they see this differently than in America. (remember, pudge, there is a whole other world out there)
I like that European model in many ways. The founding fathers knew that if every farmer had a muzzzle loader, the cannon and cavalry of the monarchs and despots could not keep them in power against the will of the people. But how the hell did America get from there to automatic weaponry?
There are good reasons to make education an issue of public control. There might also good reasons to allow home-schooling.
True. And true.
Germany as a state / society has decided that it rather wants public control over where, what and when children learn. Other states like the US may handle this differently. As pointed out earlier, you don't have to send your kid to public school in Germany, there are private ones following different educational theories. You can even try to get your own school (not easy, but possible). But a child has to be in school somewhere, meaning be with other children and being exposed to ideas, material, subjects that have been agreed upon as being those that are relevant.
So, it is one of those personal rights you have to give up being a member of society. Makes sense to any German I ever talked to (I'm one myself).
Well, I see the point of the poster. It is a change from my way of thinking, but I see the internal consistency of it.
Now, let's see how you approached this whole thing...
Well, in fact it is not.
False.
It is one of those areas where you have to judge personal freedom against societal needs or desires.
False.
Like deciding whether it is ok to carry weapons in public or whether traffic is on the left or right side of the road.
The former is clear: we do have that fundamental right. The latter, not being about rights at all, is irrelevant to this discussion.
There are good reasons to make education an issue of public control.
False.
But a child has to be in school somewhere, meaning be with other children and being exposed to ideas, material, subjects that have been agreed upon as being those that are relevant.
False.
So, it is one of those personal rights you have to give up being a member of society.
False.
Governments exist to secure liberties, not to take them away. They literally have no right to do it.
Oh my, so many falses! Not a single true. How unusual to see such a monlithic position, almost like you have a pathological need to disagree.
Anyway, hope things are going well for you. You seem to be having a good time, getting out on the internets and interacting with the peoples.
Ta ta!
your friend,
pudge_confirmer
(hey, Chris, how come you don't answer my questions any more? I try to keep it down to one per post. )