Comment Re:You are just another russian troll (Score 1) 268
Right, but there's a difference between nationalists whose nationalism tends towards wanting Ukraine to be a sovereign independent state, and neo-Nazis. Puting is claiming the latter, tarring them with the same brush, but the reality is that neo-Nazism in Ukraine is lower than levels in even much of Western Europe and the US, and far far lower than in Russia.
"Yushenko, whom you have mentioned, was raised to power basically by a paid mob. And then after one term he has received just 5.45% of votes because he sucked so much and a bandit was elected instead."
Yes exactly, the aspirations of Ukrainians was to get away from corruption and Russian influence. Yuschenko gave them the latter, but not the former, and so their break from Russia faltered as they felt they had little choice but to tend towards Yanukovych, of course, Yanukovych also continued with the corruption AND tended back towards Russia meaning it was even worse again, hence, we are where we are.
"Poland never was a soviet state"
It's really splitting hairs, regardless of whether it was formerly part of the USSR or not, it's stupid to pretend it wasn't under the exact same regime of defacto Russian control that Russia is trying to force Ukraine under. No one in the Warsaw pact did anything without Russia's say so.
"Baltic countries were deindustrialised after USSR broke up and their economy basically consists of EU payments, which is, in case of Ukraine, totally unrealistic."
Complete codswallop, both of these countries have perfectly functioning economies of their own that exist regardless of EU payments (even Britain receives EU payments but it doesn't mean we're fucking dependent on them). We have a large team of developers in Lithuania for example, whom we use for more run of the mill development.
I don't really know what your rant about Ukraine's economy is all about though, I don't think that's in debate, I think we all know the Ukrainian economy is fucked, and of course Russia isn't the source of all Ukraine's problems. Russia is however the current key factor preventing Ukraine from solving those problems though by continuing to send troops and equipment to destabilise it's industrial heartland. Russia doesn't get a free pass because Ukraine's economy would be weak without Russia - you don't get to invade a country and say "Oh well, they were fucked anyway, what's creating a civil war and backing one side of it with modern Russian equipment and troops going to hurt?"
Ukraine has it's work cut out, we all know that, but Russia is preventing it from even making a start at moving on as punishment for daring to step away from Russia to a more progressive Western economy and Russia is the one that's further courting and funding neo-Nazis and their groups across Europe, not Ukraine.