No, I have never expressed any belief or opinion, one way or the other, about what the cause of the Big Bang was, or what happened before it. I just don't see any reason whatsoever to assume that it was an intelligence at all, let alone that it was the Christian god.
So basicily you are saying life came from anything but what I might believe? do you work so hard to maintain you ambiguity just to remain the devil's advocate?
The point is that you've created a false dichotomy -- either I believe your imaginary friend created the Universe, or I must believe it "just happened". There are infinitely many possibilities in between.
The only gap, if you can call it that, is the beginning of the universe, at which point we can say, we know the Big Bang happened, we know what the Universe looked like these fractions of a second after, but we don't know what caused it, or if causality even applies.
you BELIEVE, you dont know for sure BUT you are almost positive the big bang just happened from nothing and we appeared and that is good enough...
I BELIEVE I don't know for sure BUT I feel almost certain there was some sort of magic beyond human comprehension before the big bang and that is not good enough...
Although I did not think much about the existence of a personal God until a considerably later period of my life, I will here give the vague conclusions to which I have been driven. The old argument of design in nature, as given by Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the law of natural selection has been discovered. We can no longer argue that, for instance, the beautiful hinge of a bivalve shell must have been made by an intelligent being, like the hinge of a door by man. There seems to be no more design in the variability of organic beings and in the action of natural selection, than in the course which the wind blows. Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws
Mr. Darwin sir, i can see your point that there is a set of rules governing why life happens like it does and that dumb useless shit right down to even just a single cell dies,giving some kind input into the features that make living things unique, but...who, where, or what did the rules come from and why are they here?
Does that help you understand the angle I am arguing from? What if we are being streamlined into something more awesome?
It was a rhetorical question. If you are claiming that we must have been designed because we work so well, and you are assuming that we were designed by a god, wouldn't you say the god who designed us is more complex, more intricate, and works better? If so, your god fits the same logical criteria you've given for why humans must be designed. Therefore, your god must've been designed, and his designer must be infinitely more complex, more intricate, smarter, etc, than him. And so on.
your logic doesn't mean anything, just because it doesn't make sense to you and you do not understand the purpose doesn't make it not so. Just like me believing doesn't make it so. I have the humility to say..I don't know..but you say "well it's logic...because I can't figure out what created the creator then it has to be nothing"
If you say that God needs no designer, why is that? Whatever reason you give will certainly apply to us, too.
You think walking around on your two feet and talking to people puts you on par with some sort of ancient mystical power? That there is some sort of bill of rights built into the cosmos that says if god can do it humans can to? all your logic is, is arrogance.
In a few years, I'll probably be able to. Can I be arrogant then? But let's follow your speculation: If we create a cyborg brain, over half of which is engineered by humans, and the other half perhaps genetically engineered, I think we can take a little credit for creating a better brain than God supposedly did. Even if we leave the biological part alone, we've still improved on the original "design".
when you make an organic computer with free will that is not the size of a warehouse, has it's own system of locomotion to get it where it needs to go, and power it from something as simple as food and water then take whatever credit you want. but you missed my point that our ability to improve our own designs is a built in perk...possibly part of our "purpose" I don't care what kind of upgrades we make it is a gift to be able to make them at all...
Because you were making a watchmaker argument. Evolution has little to do with this -- I was merely pointing out that since you claimed we were designed on purpose, please explain why the designer gave us an appendix. Another reply has actually provided me with an explanation of that, so you get a bonus question: Since design-ists love to point to the structure of the eye, why don't we have eyes in our fingers? It'd sure have been useful the last time I was trying to replace a hard drive in my server, and couldn't quite see where my fingers were...
I don't try to give what I don't understand a form, so it is certainly not a watchmaker, and I have never claimed that we were intended to be the form we are today and that's it. You want eyes on your fingers? go get some little cameras and tie them to your finger tips, as humans we CAN do that, don't let god hold you back. I'm sure though most people would be uncomfortable holding their arms in front of them to walk and talk to people. Not to mention with the crazy shit we do with our hands how easily we would have blinded ourselves if we actually had had eyes on our fingers....
I'm not making the claim that we are perfect only amazing...
In a word: pwned.
your shits weak bro if you can't figure out why eye's aren't attached to peoples hands and fingers why are you trying to figure out if there is a god or not?
Finally, please explain how elegant the human appendix is, what divine purpose it was put here to fulfill?
My favorite is using what is generally a creationist's argument against him--trying to get creationists to explain human eyes. You see, it's an inferior design, because the optic nerves are *in front of* the photosensitive cells, causing the eye to have a blind spot. Squids have a better design, with no blind spots. Evolution can explain this easily. Creationists have a hard time explaining why God gave squids better designed eyes than we have.
what if your not talking to a creationist but someone that believes in evolution AND believes in some higher power and that humans have the capability to augment themselves as they see fit. You say qq the eyeball sucks why cant I have squid eyes, and all I think is how long till we have squid eyes...
So are you saying those people wouldn't be kind and generous without the fear of some sort of god? What a bunch of assholes.
clever way of putting words in my mouth and talking shit about people who go out of their way to help others. I didn't say anything about those people being god-fearing. Maybe some people see life as a gift and live life trying to return the favor and not just trying to evade punishment. I am sorry you have such a one dimensional view of the world.
That isn't what you were saying at all. You were trying to claim that science is "ordered", inferring that it must be so because God "designed" it.
k nothing was designed and there is no order because certain segments of science confuse us. you can stop learning now since everything is just made up anyways and in no way benefits you. Being alive means nothing and later generations mean less.
Also why are you on the internet or alive for that matter, what does anything mean to you? why do you care so much about an accident?
Work without a vision is slavery, Vision without work is a pipe dream, But vision with work is the hope of the world.
