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Comment Re:Men's Rights morons (Score 1) 776

Instead of addressing any of my previous points, he asked a bunch of questions, Fox News-style. "Why won't Barack Obama show his birth certificate?" or, "Is Hilary Clinton a lesbian? You decide!"

This.

I think the word you're looking for is innuendo.

Fox News is not the only practitioner. There are many others, including most notably, Glenn Beck.

Comment Re:not surprised (Score 1) 649

I will amend my assertion, to exclude the motivations of those personally involved, to only focus on society-at-large. Those personally affected have an entirely different perspective and it's not one that the rest of us can empathize with unless we've been through a similar tragedy.

Fair enough.

But what do you say to those not personally involved, who oppose a death penalty because it would make him a martyr to his cause (rather than an opposition to the death penalty in general?)

Comment Re:The two things that have led me to oppose the D (Score 1) 649

Then your point is mostly irrelevant because there are other good reasons for death penalty.

None of which are part of the thread discussion, which was about deterrence. Don't move the goal-posts.

Again, prison is not an effective deterrent. Do you think we should abolish prisons?

Of course not. Murderers should be punished. My point is that the type of punishment is irrelevant to the question of deterrence.

Comment Re:The two things that have led me to oppose the D (Score 4, Insightful) 649

That's how I feel about it - some people simply do not deserve to live with the rest of humanity. There should never, ever be a chance that some people should ever have the possibility of afflicting more atrocities on society. I can can understand arguments about when it's perhaps not clear the perpetrator was guilty (and, of course, it sadly has happened before)... but of course, that didn't happen in this case.

People think it's all about punishment, but it's also about keeping those who'd violate your rights away from you.

I think all of your concerns can be addressed equally with execution or incarceration. So, why not chose incarceration? It's cheaper, it maintains a morally superior position for the justice system, and it can be reversed in the event a conviction is wrongful.

Comment Re:not surprised (Score 1) 649

The only people that are interested in making a stand against the jury's decision in this particular case would be those opposed to the death penalty in all cases, basically those that do not believe that the State should kill people.

I'm not sure about that.

Bill and Denise Richards, the parents of 8-year-old Martin (the youngest bombing victim) were against the death penalty being applied in this case. Their opposition was based on a desire for closure. They didn't want to see the case prolonged by the inevitable appeals and media attention that would be the result of a death penalty.

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