I think it was only brought up because of Tor's recent mentions in news...meh

They probably will say they use VPN, how horrid!

Not sure why you replied to me. Should have been more explicit but you covered it and i agree. True on Minsc having most to say and the nostalgia surrounding the humor of it.

Since the next planescape is confirmed I was leaning for Baldurs without a care.

That's a very tough decision. I want to go with Baldurs Gate for Minsc and Boo, but Planescape is Planescape.

Woh, calm down looks like you're too far in the frenzy of your orgasm to notice I was not disputing, nor in anyway arguing the historical precedent of those incidents.
I was saying that in the context of an argument if you only take into account what benefits you, then you really aren't actually producing an argument. You are simply restating something I learned about in 6th grade.

Again...refer to above before throwing around hyperlinks like it means anything. In case you still don't understand this concept it means that while an agency may do something wrong in the moral context of a citizens understanding you have failed to actually list any of their worth. By saying all these agencies should cease to be please actually consider their historical precedent and use before spouting off 4-5 incidents in the 20-21st century.

Reread your article bud, they declined to hear. Does not amount to not having the actual right to sue them. Nor did you specifically say what to sue them for beyond the generalization of their inclusion with government agencies.

This is a statement of caution, not at a demographic of the travel of people to foreign nations or their mood about going there. I have friends who have been to China, Russia, Mongolia, Tibet, the Middle East as well Africa. They were not so afraid that they opted to stay in Europe. You have to understand that there is a risk everywhere and whether or not the state cautions in those area it is not equivalent to the statement of their general malaise in the travel to these places.

Rights are regularly circumvented for this very reason, they're called exigent circumstances. Your weirdly hyperbolic sarcasm aside, I wasn't talking about Kim Dotcom or NZ. Don't really care about them. I was mainly speaking non-violent intelligence gathering to preclude violence.

If you really want to drag it out, this doesn't have to do with what should be but with what is. Stop barking at the status quo and reality, he was made out to worse than a murder too bad. He stole from rich people, shouldn't have been that dumb. That simple. You want to commit crimes know who you are commiting them against and don't be surprised when you get caught or held for what is flimsy legal reasoning or downright illegal. It's like pissing off the mob and expecting not to have your family tortured or something.

Wow, you really eat this shit up. You do realize I wasn't speaking about the US in particular, it was a generalization since you said all agencies with their authority.
You can list as many of the negatives as you wish but your argument has no merit if you only include those. I don't care about the current battle with Kim Dotcom.

Of course, all intelligence is gathered through the use of torture and state licensed assassins wander the world in search of depriving foreign and domestic citizens of the life and liberty alike. Makes perfect sense.

I am not really sure where the whole travel point is going as it is patently incorrect. We do have the right to AT&T et al, actually. Since you have brought the corporations up, non-state agencies are ones with greater authority. It is a readily acknowledged fact of civilization that governing bodies allow smaller specializing policing agencies to break laws in the interest of the people. If you want the sublimation of these agencies the only thing that would have happen is non-state agencies would gain the power in that vacuum and the legitimacy of the states authority would be undermined.

I agree on the right to due process, but before making idealistic declarations
actually consider how it would be achieved and how little benefit it would be.

Cue heart attack of pilot followed by crazy AI. Ha, jigabachis were the first thing I thought of too.

My positon is to interpret and follow the law. If they are not in the US yet are soliciting US citizens to buy and sell futures then they are entering our market by engaging them. They are not expected to regulate their behavior towards all their patrons only those in the US. They had the option, they completely ignored it. If you have US customers you have varying degrees of legal obligation to the regulatory committees of the US. If their job is to enforce their laws and police those who are offering services to a US citizen then they should have civil authority to act against them. If not this seriously undermines their ability to perform their function. If your intent is to dissuade me of this belief on the grounds that it being unfair or similarly over reach in their regulation then you don't to. I have lauded Intrade's platform before regardless of their legality and I am hesitant to believe the CFTCs stated objective was their true motivation. Ideally one should not be penalized for the potential bad luck of others but time has shown government to not be so conservative in their beliefs of the expectations of their citizens. Nonetheless the CFTCs formal action will note likely impede their business and questioning the legitimacy of their action has little chance to motivate overturning its decision. Finally if a US citizen is truly motivated to engage Intrades services again this is really quite unlikely to be difficult. Use a proxy server and either set up accounts with non-US banks or buy prepaid cards from non US banks.

Yes they did begin to refuse to accept US credit cards, however they continued to break their cease and desist order well before that. Also the refusal was based on US based banks, you can circumvent this easily. The law regarding off exchange trades was already established and just because on belives that it is ok to break laws because you feel like doesn't make it right. You think it is over reach because the CFTC is telling an Irish company not to allow US citizens to buy and sell options through them as they would not be regulated as per the law. Yeah that makes sense. There is a reason why the options market has been regulated you can simply look at their role along with CDSs in the financial crisis. If the CFTC simply ignores the actions of sites like Intrade then it doesn't take an idiot to realize that in order to avoid financial regulation in a market that could make you billions of dollars just set up a server overseas and avoid the law. Hell companies in other countries will realize how to completely avoid the financial regulation their nation, the answer is to simply place it in a different country. If they hadn't continued as they did there probably wouldn't be a complete denial of service to US citizens, it'd only be for the predictions that happened to be actual options.

Didn't say it was magic, there are faults. The market is not discontinuous, you certainly are not in direct competition but undoubtedly indirectly at their mercy. It would be foolish to think whatever acumen you may have will out perform and consistently perform as well as a well managed fund. Advances in programming, technology, the placement of servers and their large capital make it illogical to go throw away your money in cheap thrill. I am not saying you can't make some money, I'm saying its not worth the risk or time.

I don't completely agree with the ruling, however I am not one much for the practice of escaping jurisdiction by the argument of the hosts location. Don't take my words out of context. Just actually take a minute of your day to read one of the many takes on this event and the history preceding it before you respond. Intrade knew how they had violated a previous agreement with the CFTC. This not an issue of juris prudence or a debate on CFTC overstepping their bounds. Two parties came to an agreement, one broke it and punitive action was brought. Don't make it out to be anything else.

I don't trade thats what my computer is for. You will only be swept away by all of the HFT platforms