FFS guys. He meant tyrants. You know, hardened battle ants who worship Tyr, the scandinavian god of war. They all come wired with mobile broadband.

Mod parent up! Great, succinct summary of two very important points that have been lost in much of this discussion.

You need to take off and nuke the site from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.

I thought that quote from the parent was fascinating. To me, it's that kind of philanthropy that the US excels at. It's a LOT harder to find venture capital in many other countries. Of course they have no real 'responsibility', but it's akin to sharing food with the rest of the tribe.

Senator Stephen Conroy would like to recall the message: "ACMA Blacklist - see attachment".

Agreed, but the rate of growth in game sizes is not governed entirely by technological factors. The size of a game is the result of a decision on the part of the game publishers to back AAA titles which are bigger, more graphically pretty, etc. This is not the only way to go. Given a significant economic incentive to keep games smaller (eg: digital distribution), I would not be surprised to find the growth game sizes leveling out or even contracting over time.

Maybe too many geeks moved on to something else.

I might be misunderstanding you here, so apologies if I am.

Agreement absolutely should have an age restriction, because it comes down to the ability of the person making the agreement to make an informed decision. This is important because if the person making the agreement cannot make an informed decision, then we can't really be sure that noone is going to be hurt.

Is a 14 year old capable of making an informed decision? What about an 8 year old? Maybe, but as a society we've pretty much agreed that 18 is a reasonable place to set the bar.

We might ask who, if not the individual, is in a position to make such a decision on their behalf - I'd say here parents or guardians serve in that role until the child is old enough to make informed decisions.

I agree with the statement that the government is not our moral compass, but in this case I don't think this is about governments acting as a moral compass. I think it's about offering some protection to minors.

No, it's not. And I didn't say that. Please feel free to invent straw men and knock them down, but don't quote me when you do it. kthanxbye.

Hold on. Don't you elect your government in the US? When did the US become a dictatorship!? If you've elected a government that throws you in jail because you don't do what they say, then vote them out. If the rest of the people disagree with you and vote for the government you don't want, well, that's not a problem with government, is it? If the system's so broken you can't vote for the right people, change it. That's what democracy is all about.

Erm, yes. In fact, half the population are below average. But it's OK; the other half are above average.

Yeah, it's also terrible that nobody archived any of the 2000 Olympics stuff...

Different societies have different value systems, and so different countries regulate different media in different ways.

What's important is that games get treated fairly against other media and regulated for what they are, not what scared, ignorant people worry they might be. The problem is that governments and legislators don't yet "get" games, and so fear and ignorance reign supreme.

As an example, in Australia, the government has a Classification Board that rates books, TV, movies and games. The Board is supposed to represent the values of the community and it generally does a pretty good job. Very few movies are refused classification (eg: banned).

Not so with video games. Games are regularly refused classification in Australia, largely because the highest classification for games is MA15+ - so if a game is considered only suitable for adults, then it can't be classified.

Yes, this is ludicrous and there's been a huge response from the local industry and a lot of local gamers. You can read more about it here if you are interested.

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that games are not treated on the same level as other forms of media in Australia, because they're poorly understood by government as a medium - mainly because the people in government didn't grow up playing games. I'd bet there are similar issues to varying degrees in other countries.

Give it a decade or so and things will be different. Until then, we're going to have to keep putting up with emotive comments and costly ineffective legislation from politicians looking for cheap popularity amongst their ignorant and fearful dull-eyed constituents.

The Americans have elected a courageous, intelligent man who really knows the value of freedom and democracy. He has shown that anyone really can still be president in the USA. Kudos to everyone who voted for Obama and showed the world that those narrow-minded rednecks and neocons are just a stereotype. Welcome back, USA. We missed you.

Not entirely unlike human genomic research :)